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I spell it M-E-L-I-S-S-A M-O-O-R-E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=0.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nGreat, and, Melissa, you are from where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=6.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI was born and raised in Charleston, South Carolina, and I've been here pretty much all of my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=13.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay, and if we were going to assign a title in terms of the work you now do, what would that be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=19.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI am currently the director of organizing at Women's Rights and Empowerment Network, which is a newly minted position and it solidifies our commitment to doing more grassroots, base building and outreach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=31.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay, and [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=46.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] is WREN?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=50.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nWREN, mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=53.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWREN. Okay, good. Let's start, if you would, Melissa, with being a native of Charleston, okay? Let's explore a little bit what your introduction was, even in your youth, to social justice and activism. Is this coming out of a house, that experience, or just how do you think you got brought into this arena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=54.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nGrowing up in Charleston was difficult for me. I was a queer child from the minute I could walk and talk. I identified as male. I was a boy when I was little and I had to really work hard to enforce to people that, no, I am a boy, you call me by boy's names. I want to dress like a boy, and just my very existence as a transgender child was political, and the fact that I had to really assert myself. I had to be very self-determined.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=90.0,125.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI had to advocate for myself and, I guess, my earliest memory of advocating for my right to be who I was, was when I was five years old and everyone was trying to force me into dresses and girls' hairstyles and I said, \"No, I am not this. This is not ... I'm not going to do this,\" at five years old. So that was my earliest introduction to resisting in South Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=125.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOn the obvious, what's the reaction from the parents on this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=155.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nMy parents were not happy that I did not want to wear the girly clothes, especially not my mom, who was a cosmetologist and wanted to have a little girl that she could dress up in dresses and do her hair, and that just wasn't me. My parents really fought me on my gender identity, and then I remember going into public school in Charleston and being placed in classes with other children that had trauma histories and violent backgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=162.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I was placed with children who had some pretty severe mental health challenges in school because I identified as a boy. I felt very stigmatized about it. It wasn't easy being a transgender child in elementary school, in the public school system of Charleston, South Carolina, and when, eventually, it wore me down and I acquiesced and dressed as a girl, but I was very much a tomboy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=198.0,229.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nGive me an idea of what, because I didn't ask you your age, so what years are we talking about you being in elementary school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=229.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I am 44 and I was in elementary school in the 80s. I remember it was ... Another memory that I have, not only of being a trans child and resisting in elementary school, but I remember that they separated our classroom by whose household wanted to vote for Mondale and whose household wanted to vote for Reagan, and it felt to me as if there was just this real pro-Reagan bent in my school and they were trying to push and persuade the first grade – I was in first grade - trying to push and persuade us to persuade our parents to vote for Reagan. It was bizarre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=237.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nInteresting. What schools are we talking about you attending?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=279.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThis early memory I have was at Mount Pleasant Academy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=282.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nA private school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=287.0,288.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nNo, no, no. Mount Pleasant Academy is a public school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=288.0,290.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nA public school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=290.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nIn Mount Pleasant, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=292.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay, and how many grades did you take there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=293.0,299.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI was in Mount Pleasant Academy just through the first grade, and then I went to Whitesides, Mamie P. White. What was interesting is that, at Mount Pleasant Academy, I remember the mascot or the logo for Mount Pleasant Academy was this horrible, racist mascot. It was this horrible caricature of indigenous culture, and just like so many others, like the high school that I went to, Wando, had a horrible, racist caricature of indigenous culture - “the Warriors” - and looking back, it's just like we're indoctrinated into white supremacy from the time that we can walk and talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=299.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nTo me, looking back on being a transgender child in these circumstances, transphobia is also a project of white supremacy. It is part of that eugenicist project that the U.S. was built upon, and I don't think that people make those connections very often because it was indigenous doctrine created these very hierarchical gender categories and gender roles and stereotypes, and it was all in service of creating more white children, having strict gender roles, and then having this very hierarchical, organized system of ... like the prison-industrial complex and the military-industrial complex and people to populate those industrial complexes. So, yeah, I just went off on a tangent, but ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=339.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThat's quite all right. I'm going to ask you to circle back around because I think we are finding that terms do take on different meanings over time. MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=401.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=414.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight, right. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd so in your lifetime, help somebody understand what you mean by trans and non-binary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=414.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYes, yes. Thank you. So, I identify as non-binary, which means that my gender identity isn't strictly aligned with maleness or femaleness as if there are only two choices in the gender spectrum. Gender is a spectrum and it's a continuum and there're as many gender identities as there are people, and people oftentimes want to separate genders into male or female when, really, intersex people exist. People are born with characteristics that are both male and female [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=426.0,462.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=462.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo just even the idea that your biological sex at birth is only male or female is false. There are up to, I believe, 10 recognized biological sexes, and some of those people, we assign the term intersex to people whose genitalia doesn't match their sex, doesn't match a male, strictly male, or typically female. So even the idea of biological sex is not binary. So we think it's just male, female, on, off. You're either this or that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=463.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo a gender identity that is non-binary is one that doesn't fall into just a male or a female category. I am a mix of both. I embody both masculine and feminine characteristics, and if I were to choose, I'd probably align more towards the masculine side, but transgender people are people whose gender identities don't match the sex they were assigned at birth. So, me, as a [inaudible] person, I was assigned female at birth. They put female on my birth certificate because of my genitalia, but that's not who I ever was. The minute I understood what gender roles were, I knew that I wasn't a girl, and when I was little, I really aligned ... I, for all intents and purposes, who I was inside was a boy, even if my body did not match.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=497.0,555.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I don't want folks to get confused, though, about biological sex and gender identity because those two things are different. So an intersex person is someone whose biological characteristics are not standard for male or female, right, but your gender identity doesn't have anything to do with your biology. It has everything to do with what's in your brain, who you are, whereas biological sex has to do with your parts, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=555.0,585.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nMm-hmm. So, technically, when we start talking about transsexual, we're talking about someone who has gone through a change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=585.0,597.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo transgender, you may not even know someone is transgender because someone's outside appearance may not always match how they're feeling inside. So a transgender person can be transgender even if they're presenting to you in a way that aligns with the sex that they were assigned at birth. It's about who you are inside. So some transgender people do go through medical transition and some people don't. Some people go through social transition and some people don't, and that could be for any number of reasons. Sometimes people want to transition, but either their family lives aren't set up for that or they don't have the funds to be able to support a medical transition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=597.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nIt's also possible that people can identify as male or as transgender who don't even want to go through medical transition. It's just that they ... this is who I am inside and I'm going to present the way that I'm going to present. 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Can you explore just a little bit as you're getting older, you're not in first grade anymore, so as you move on and get older, do you see people becoming more embracing of you and your way of thinking or what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=666.0,719.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nAs a child, I experienced a lot of bullying by teachers and students. So, in the first grade, I was put into a special class with other people with issues because I identified as a boy. Then, the next year, a teacher, who was a teacher of the year, could handpick her class and would handpick students that were challenging. So I think I might have been a challenging student, and she came to me and said, \"I don't think you need to be in this special program. Do you want out of it?\" and I said, \"Yes, please. It's very stigmatizing and I just ...\" She was like, \"I don't think you need to be there.\" Her name was ... I can't ... 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The sad part is that the person who put me in that stigmatizing program was a gay man who was a teacher, and sometimes the worst violence in the LGBT community can happen with self-hating LGBT community members just laterally attacking other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=773.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThis teacher took me out of there and then the rest of my elementary school experience was a little better, but I still felt stigmatized because I didn't fit. I was very boyish. I was forced into dresses and forced to dress like a girl, and I was clunky. It's like you put someone who's a boyish person into dresses and it didn't fit. It wasn't me. I was being forced into this mold that was not me. I always ... and then as I got through school and got older, again, I acquiesced to the demands that society was putting on me to dress like a girl, but then I remember, as I progressed into the fifth grade, I started noticing very stark racial tensions arising in school. So it was interesting how the classrooms became segregated, how the lunch, the cafeterias, became segregated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=801.0,873.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nIn elementary school, I was awkward and just a different person and aligned with a random group of people. So my group of people, my group of friends, were also belonged to all kinds of different groups, and I was friends with the Black kids in school, and then some of my white friends in school, they were the outcast white kids, and it was just ... I noticed a lot of the oppressions that were happening were based in bigotry and white supremacy. So the same people who were picking on me for being queer in school were picking on the students of color, and they were picking on all of us who didn't ... To me, this eugenicist framework, right, of what is a man and what is a woman and what is the ideal hierarchy of human existence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=873.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYou could see it in elementary school, and it really became clear to me in the fifth grade. These things really started solidifying. I felt like, in the first grade, we're still pliable, but you start [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=946.0,962.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] right, and then you grow and you grow and grow and these ideas really solidify and they implant in your brain. So you really saw these stark divisions in the classrooms, in the lunch rooms and on the playground. People start forming cliques and they build this hierarchy of race and gender, and those things became very clear in elementary school, and then, of course, through middle and high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=962.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd by the time you're in high school, this is an era where these issues are getting more attention, more national attention and whatever, are you seeing your community growing, expanding their understanding or embracing? 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I start realizing that, as much as I would try to have boyfriends, that I was not attracted to boys. So those ideas became very clear to me, but I had no role models who were queer, and the dynamics that were happening on the playground with playground bullies became even worse. So then [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1032.0,1057.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] people who were, I think, adopting the ideas of their parents, starting with the idea of who's for Reagan and who's for Mondale and these same ... this ideology really took root from, I could see it, from the first grade all the way through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1057.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nWhen we hit high school, people would really go to their cliques, but I was always someone who was, I don't want to say a social butterfly, but I had a random collection of people, and it was usually the nerds and creatives of all the different groups. So the nerds and creatives just ... we had our little thing, and there were even nerds and creatives in the rednecks' group that didn't always align, and I say “rednecks” because it was the rednecks' group that always beat up people like me and my friends. There were secret nerds and creatives inside the redneck group who were afraid to speak out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1075.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nAs we grew, some of my friend groups, the boys who hung out with us, even if they were straight and cisgender, meaning that they align with the sex that they were assigned at birth and that they're not transgender, even though they were straight and cisgender, they would get attacked and called gay because ... These rednecks would come and attack them and-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1121.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause they had gay friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1146.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nBecause they had gay friends, but I noticed that I wasn't targeted in the same ways. They targeted the boys for hanging out with people who they thought were gay, right? To me, that signaled an internalized fear that maybe they themselves may be gay, or I just feel like they were trying to beat out of themselves a feeling that they might have had that they did not want to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1147.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I just noticed, not only were, again, the same [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1181.0,1185.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] people beating up people who they thought were gay, they would also go after the students of color in a very racist and terrible and divisive way. Again, this is at Wando High School, “Home of the Warriors”, where, basically, racism is enshrined in every fabric of that school. So it's no wonder that those people were reigning supreme on the playground. That was their, I guess, their ground where they ... that was their realm. They ran the school, the racists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1185.0,1227.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo given the intensity of all your early experiences and a lot of self-awareness, obviously, that you can talk about from first grade on, are you saying that that is where your commitment to trying to make [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1227.0,1250.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] came from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1250.0,1253.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI think that, yes, those early experiences in school really solidified in my mind where I wanted to be aligned, and also growing up with ... I grew up with a single mom who ... I don't want to tell her story, but she did not have a lot of autonomy [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1253.0,1278.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. She had no real choices, and we grew up really struggling to make ends meet and living below the poverty line, and when I say we grew up, my mother was a young person with me trying to raise me. We grew up together, and seeing those challenges, but also looking at my family. A lot of the women in my family were single mothers and married to abusive partners and had to escape abusive partners, or in abusive relationships. 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You could marry a child, and it's just ... So, to me, that was just so awful, and seeing all the challenges that women in my family had to go through because of patriarchy really ... it just made me so mad, but, really, I didn't have a way to focus that anger and that inspiration that I felt to do something. I didn't know what to do with it all, so I self-harmed. I turned my violence in on myself, and it wasn't until I had people who were seasoned activists and mentors who took me under their wing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1317.0,1369.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThe story that all [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1369.0,1371.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] South Carolina is how terrible the ruling class is in South Carolina, but the story that I'm so glad that y'all are telling is this rich history of resistance that we have, and I would be nowhere were it not for the mentors who saw something in me or who gave me some tough love and critiqued me. They helped me grow, but also just took the time to make those critiques with me, because a lot of people get really sensitive and it hurts when you hear critical feedback, but it's very hard to be the person giving critical feedback [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1371.0,1406.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] the labor that people put into me. Some of my early mentors were Mandy Carter. Do we know Mandy Carter? She is one of the founders of Southerners on New Ground. Yep, she also is part of ... Oh, I can't even ... I can't remember all the things that Mandy's done, but she is an institution in the South. Helped me be proud of my Southern identity and my Southern heritage, [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1406.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] find a place for myself in this work and in the movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1437.0,1441.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI have to say, also Robert-John Hinojosa is one of my early influences. He's with Southerners on New Ground as well, and Coya Hope Artichoker, who's this amazing indigenous leader. Also, I really watched the work that Coya was doing and learned from it a lot. Very true. Good stuff. I had good mentors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1441.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd this is happening right here [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1469.0,1471.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] for the most part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1471.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nIt is. In South Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1473.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI have to just ask you about that. Well, how do you explain that we don't know your story or the [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1475.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] Why is this not as appreciated when we talk about the right struggles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1497.0,1509.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo when you're ... Are you asking why aren't we including the intersections of gender identity and sexual orientation when we talk about the history of struggle in South Carolina?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1509.0,1521.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nMm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1521.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThat's a good question. I think that sometimes, our movements can ... We're indoctrinated into a system of oppression. This country is built on oppression. The U.S. is a eugenicist country, and it's very difficult to be able to envision change or what that ... or even to move in a way that is less oppressive when your entire muscle memory is oppression, right? So, I think we've been told the propaganda that queer people are bad and evil. I believe that, as a queer person, as a person who was queer from the moment I could walk and talk, I believed that I was bad. And later on in my high school, I tried to not be queer. I tried to deny my queerness. I tried to quit it as if it was like alcoholism or something bad for me, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1522.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSomething you had to get [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1585.0,1586.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1586.0,1587.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo many of us are told, \"These are the evil people. Queer people are the evil people,\" and so many of us really internalize those messages that we've been taught for so long. So I think sometimes the story that gets uplifted is like, \"Let's only talk about the ‘respectable’ parts,\" right, and not seeing queer and LGBT people as “respectable” enough to be part of that story that gets told could be part of the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1587.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd I have to just keep going at plugging at you a little bit about this locality, the fact that Charleston has a long history of underground ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1620.0,1634.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1634.0,1641.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n... social networks, if you will, from its very beginning. So, this understanding of a common oppressor - how did you start, beyond what you've described in your high school experiences - what are you doing around the time, say, of Walter Scott's murder? How does that branch out for you in terms of your own involvement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1641.0,1679.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight. So, when Walter Scott was murdered, I was the director of We Are Family, which is an organization that supports LGBTQ+ youth. We had support groups, psychosocial support systems for LGBT youth, and I remember when Walter Scott was murdered, it was just unbearable, and the fact that people were sending around that awful video in people's inboxes and in their news feeds was just this collective trauma that we experienced together. So, with the young people that I was working with, we had to figure out how to process that together in a way that helped us work out our feelings about that trauma. MILLICENT BROWN\n\n[inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1679.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n[inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1738.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n[inaudible ] ...interracial group? MELISSA MOORE\n\nYes, but I will say it was an interracial group, but it was white-dominant because LGBT spaces in South Carolina are white-dominant, and, honestly, my existence in that space as a white leader, I think, was a barrier as well. So as the organization grew, we very intentionally passed the torch onto Charleston-based leadership of color, people who grew up here who are queer, who understand the history. So the next person who took the reigns of the organization was someone who was Black, from Charleston, part of the Gullah Geechee community-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1738.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYes, but I will say it was an interracial group, but it was white-dominant because LGBT spaces in South Carolina are white-dominant, and, honestly, my existence in that space as a white leader, I think, was a barrier as well. So as the organization grew, we very intentionally passed the torch onto Charleston-based leadership of color, people who grew up here who are queer, who understand the history. So the next person who took the reigns of the organization was someone who was Black, from Charleston, part of the Gullah Geechee community-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1740.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYes, but I will say it was an interracial group, but it was white-dominant because LGBT spaces in South Carolina are white-dominant, and, honestly, my existence in that space as a white leader, I think, was a barrier as well. So as the organization grew, we very intentionally passed the torch onto Charleston-based leadership of color, people who grew up here who are queer, who understand the history. So the next person who took the reigns of the organization was someone who was Black, from Charleston, part of the Gullah Geechee community- MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWho was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1740.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nIt was Nijeeah Richardson, and they were the program director for a year, and they understood [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1789.0,1797.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] worked and operated and then took the helm and had just done amazing things with the organization. It is now, I think, one of very few all people of color led, queer and trans people of color led organizations as far as the staffing is concerned, the leadership of the organization. So I remember when Walter Scott happened, when that horrible fucking, excuse me, horrible thing happened, how even within our support group, the racial dynamics became ... you could really witness the deeply entrenched racism among the white kids in the group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1797.0,1846.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSome of the kids who were - especially the Black kids in the group - were sending me screenshots of like, \"Look at what they're saying, look at what they're saying.\" So we had to really address horrible dynamics that the kids were echoing what was happening in the [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1846.0,1862.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1862.0,1865.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nTell us about that. I mean, what's that like to sit in a room where folks are saying, \"Don't you see that this is a racist act?\" and, I mean, what happens when that gets unpacked?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1865.0,1879.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight. So there were issues where some of ... We had to call in a lot of the white kids. We had to have conversations in the group where it's like, \"Okay, these things will not be tolerated [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1879.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"].\" We wanted to have a transformative justice politic in the group, not.... A non-carceral way of being in the group, but there were just things that we had to ... we called a white caucus with the kids and were like ... and who were perpetrating the issues on social media, using slurs to talk about people who were, basically, in the streets, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1901.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo after Walter Scott [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1930.0,1932.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] the streets and there was movement happening. People were just out in mass, right, and the kids, the white kids were, basically, tone-policing some of the actions that were happening. We had to call them in and be like, \"Do you understand how this is wrong? That your outrage focused on the people of color who are in the streets is misplaced. Why are you not upset with the system of policing, the racist system of policing? You have to understand we cannot have this kind of toxicity in the group, so we need to learn, either learn and stop and do better, or you've got to go,\" right? So we had to ask some of those kids to leave, but we all, as a group decided.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1932.0,1981.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo we had this youth advisory board that was multiracial, multi-identity, and we decided together like, \"How are we going to deal with this? [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1981.0,1992.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] needs to change the behavior, the behavior doesn't change, you've got to go. We have to prioritize the people who have the most marginalized identity in the group.\" I can say, looking back on my own handling of the situation, there were things I certainly ... I don't know that I always responded in the best way or the way that centered and supported the people [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=1992.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2021.0,2023.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nAnd I'm remembering a time, too, when ... and this was before Walter Scott had happened, but some of the kids, the older kids were going out to where Deco is now, the visitor center area, there was a gay bar there, but there was a lot of incidents of sexual assault happening around there. A lot of targeting of the LGBT people who went in and out of the bar [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2023.0,2051.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] was saying that they were assaulted outside of the bar and they did not want to call the police because they just didn't want to ... they didn't believe in sending a person to jail. This was back, I think, in 2013, and I was just, at that point, I wasn't even in my abolitionist study, right? People were getting assaulted. I knew one of the police, right, so I facilitated a meeting with one of the police officers who worked that area and with the group, and it was horrible. That was the worst idea I'd ever had in my life. That was not a good idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2051.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2096.0,2099.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nFirst of all, the police are going to do the police things and be true to form, and it was intimidating as hell and you know what? That was completely ignorant to the struggles that the youth of color might have been having in their interactions with police. I just totally missed that, and it just blew up and became very messy and escalated, right? It turned into something that was very tense, emotional...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2099.0,2132.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\n...the cop was very just aligned with bullying and white supremacy, even though he was a cop of color, but he was aligned with white supremacy. That really was like, “Wow, okay. I learned from that. I'm never going to do that again, right?” Then fast forward to a couple years later and then the Walter Scott murder happens and I started really becoming more radicalized at that point like, \"Wow, we cannot invest our safety in police.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2132.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat's the alternative?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2166.0,2171.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI think people are still trying to work out those alternatives, right? So when you have sexual assault, when you are dealing with violence and trauma, the thing that I have learned is that prisons and police just bring more violence and trauma. So you're [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2171.0,2186.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and trauma to violence and trauma. I know that that doesn't work. I don't know what the answer is, but I've been studying transformative justice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2186.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI am just a baby when it comes to the study of abolition and transformative justice, but I certainly think that, I believe that our communities have the capacity to keep communities safe much more so than police and outside forces that are rooted in white supremacy like the police are. Then when you even see the response, like what happened to Walter Scott, juxtaposed with ... I'm going to content-warn this, juxtaposed with what happened with the people who were shot at Emanuel by Dylann Roof, the white supremacist, and the ways the police responded to that. Took him to Burger King. That really also radicalized [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2200.0,2248.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2248.0,2249.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nIt radicalized you and who else? I mean, were you among people that are able to say, \"Oh, I see this differently now\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2249.0,2266.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYeah. So I was involved with folks who were out resisting, right? So there was this facet of “Charleston Strong” people, right, who were just like, \"Oh, peace, love,\" trying to tamp down what the community was feeling, what all these folks who were in the streets are feeling and trying to be like, \"Well, we don't do that here,\" but probably-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2266.0,2291.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe hold hands on the bridge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2291.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nWe hold hands and we go on the bridge and we paint doves on things, and what does that do? Nothing. It does absolutely nothing. So I see people out doing things, right, and doing ... stopping traffic, and I thought some of the people who just stopped traffic right before the bridge to ... I was like, \"Yeah.\" They were out there. They were being like, \"No, we will not accept this violence in our communities,\" and I saw the people mobilizing those actions. I saw what Muhiyidin was doing out in the community as well, and just started to really try to hear more about what they were saying, what they were doing and align with what they were saying and what they were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2292.0,2338.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo around that time, not shortly after all of this stuff hits the news, and this is stuff that's been happening forever, right? Just because somebody recorded it that we started paying attention, but these communities have been brutalized throughout the history of this entire existence of this state and this country. So I just started to [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2338.0,2366.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] like the Black Lives Matter protests, and I remember around ... My timeline is a little fuzzy, but in around that time, I remember there were these students, these Black students on a school bus who got into a fight, like students do, kids are going to fight, and they were brutalized by the police. The school bus stopped. Police brutalized these children, took them to juvie, or juvenile detention, and just locked them away. They took them from their families, and I remember-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2366.0,2402.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat age were they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2402.0,2403.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI want to say ... They were in high school. They were very young. They were teenagers, they're children, and Muhiyidin was working to try to get them out. So he did all of this very quiet work, especially with youth, so there was stuff that was out on the street, but there's this other stuff that I think folks didn't always see, and I wasn't always ... it's not like we were that acquainted or that close, but I interacted with Muhiyidin from his work with youth, mostly. So, trying to get these kids out of detention. It's violent to take a child from their families, especially ... You don't take a child from their families. That doesn't correct behavior, that doesn't help them to heal from whatever caused the fight, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2403.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo we worked on trying to get these kids out of juvenile detention, and he came and spoke to our queer youth group at We Are Family and just sort of talked to them about how like, \"Do you see how the doors in these school classrooms, they're skinny, right? They're skinny just like that in prison. Do you know why they're like that? It's so that they can put you under surveillance, and it's so that you don't know that you're being watched.\" These kids were like, \"Oh!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2460.0,2489.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo having him there to sort of give them this analysis, it was a very pivotal point in the growth of our youth group at We Are Family, but also, as these things are happening in Charleston, the kids are witnessing these things and not knowing, necessarily, how to deal with it or process it. It was important to bring the people who are moving social [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2489.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] our spaces into the youth group space as well so they could get to know and learn from the folks moving the work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2520.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou've been doing this for quite some time now and, obviously, you're very committed to breaking through some of this oppression. Tell us how you feel. This is 2022, and I'm not talking about some of the reactionary stuff that's happening at the national level right now, I'm really still talking locally. How do you feel about the impact of Black Lives Matter, WREN, SONG, We Are Family, all of these multi-, CAJM, all of these efforts that are going on? How are you feeling about the impact that they are ...having?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2533.0,2589.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI'll just take a breath. So I think that ... I've been organizing in South Carolina for a while, and I've seen groups come and go. It's the people that make the work. It's the relationships that make the work, and I see the nonprofit [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2589.0,2619.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and structures as a good tool for the people. I don't think we should ever invest our hopes and dreams and everything into a nonprofit. We invest our hopes and dreams into the people. The people are the ones who are going to make the difference, and the nonprofits should support whatever the people are pushing, right? So social justice is not a nonprofit project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2619.0,2648.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I want to say that. One of the best books I've ever read is The Revolution Will Not Be [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2648.0,2652.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. It's a great read. So I think that I want to caution people not to invest too much energy into the professionalization of social justice because every single person can be an organizer. Every single person probably is an organizer in some capacity. So, I think, when we look to the nonprofits that are ... “social justice-y\" nonprofits, I think we look to them for the resources that we can get from these nonprofits and I think that they're very critical in this moment because it's a way to distribute those resources to liberate funds. When we're getting donations, we're liberating money, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2652.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo I think that it's important for these structures that exist to house resources that will serve the people. So I think that [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2703.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] action with Southerners on New Ground, for example, so many of my mentors, my early mentors, came from that organization and were churned out of that organization and that tradition. I think we can look to some longstanding organizations for the history that they bring and the traditions that they uphold, but also I am very excited about how people push back. People are taking to the streets because they're not going to take it. I think that, though, if we are getting into the streets, my only caution is that we set up structures that make sure that people can do the work with the least amount of harm to themselves and to the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2718.0,2764.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo, right now, community care is my religion, and if I'm organizing things, I will make sure that there are marshals, that there are police liaisons, so that those people [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2764.0,2777.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] make sure that the police are not brutalizing the attendees of the protest, right, and making sure that we have legal support lined up if things go sideways, making sure that we are in contact with bail funds to make sure if anyone gets arrested that people ... that there's the capacity to make sure that we can get people out of jail. So all those things, in my mind, should be in place when we are protesting. My care is that we keep the community as safe as possible, and I know that SONG and WREN have the resources, and other organizations moving more liberatory work in South Carolina, have resources to help people learn how to do these things in a more organized way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2777.0,2827.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYeah, and also, I think it's important that there are organizations focused on moving certain policy issues and have resources and knowledge about how laws are made. Unlock those gates to that knowledge. We shouldn't be hoarding power and resources. So I think that we can look to these nonprofits for access to the power structures, access to the lawmakers at the state house. We can do advocacy 101 training, like here's how a bill is passed. Here's where you can come in and have your voice heard, but then also organize activism, resources that help people understand, all right, when it's time to disrupt, when it's time for disobedience and when we demonstrate, how are we going to do it in a way that lessens the harm that comes to the people in the demonstration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2827.0,2878.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nIt sounds like you've been consciously trying to learn a lot over the years. If someone's going to be listening to you 25 years from now, you want to give us a thought about what you envision? What's the landscape? Again, we're talking about the Charleston area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2878.0,2914.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2914.0,2917.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat's your vision for how some of this can actually be torn down, some of this oppression can be eliminated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2917.0,2928.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nMy vision is that we have a strong movement infrastructure. One thing, South Carolina and Charleston, the Southern Strategy was born here. So for those who don't know the Southern Strategy, it was, basically, what turned South Carolina into an oppressive “red” - Republican red - state, right? I'm nonpartisan. I'm not trying to be partisan here, but there was this person, Roger Milliken, who was the original architect of the Southern Strategy, who ... and the Southern Strategy meaning that it's anti-gay, it's racist, it's some of the worst oppressive political leaders and turning the rest of the country more oppressive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2928.0,2977.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThat was the purpose of the Southern Strategy. So part of that is also these union-busting tactics that pit the poor white workers against the poor Black workers and other poor people of color and indigenous people. They would, basically, tell lies and make promises to each group, pitting them against each other, and I see that, not only working in the factories and in the places where people work, but it's also been used to bust movements in South Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=2977.0,3010.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nSo, in 25 years, I would hope that we have a strong and robust movement infrastructure, that we have people all around the state [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3010.0,3021.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"], trained up on the tactics and strategies that worked in the civil rights movement. That we do plan, if people are getting arrested, we're planning for that. That we have street medics, so we don't always have to call 911, right, when someone is hurt, because 911 sometimes brings police, and sometimes, if you're an undocumented person, for example, that could mean that you have to interact with ICE.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3021.0,3047.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\n25 years, I hope that we're at a place where we can do these actions because we are always going to have to fight. There's never going to be a time that we can rest. Social justice is an ongoing thing, and just because we have rights, as we saw with Roe v. Wade and LGBT rights, they're not set in stone. Just because you have a right doesn't mean it can't be taken away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3047.0,3070.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThe Voting Rights Act.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3070.0,3072.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nRight. So, yeah, the Voting Rights Act, they just ... When they don't win, they don't have popular support, they cheat. That's where fascism comes from – fascism was born from this small minority of people who want all the control, but they don't have majority support, so they cheat. So, I think, in 25 years, I want to see everyone ready. That we have strong ... we understand our history, and this project is so important to me because it's documenting a history that forces who are against us are trying to erase. In 25 years, I want people to know [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3072.0,3112.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and people to be proud of being from South Carolina because of the rich history of resistance, not because they've been oppressed by these ruling class people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3112.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI want to see a strong, robust poor and working class movement in South Carolina that has all the resources that it needs. Strong mutual aid networks. We cannot rely on the state to come and save. That's just not how it works. The only way that we're going to, I guess, to grow together and to heal is mutual aid and support. Yeah, just strengthen the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3123.0,3154.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm going to ask you one last question and then we'll close it out, and that is, can you think of anybody or [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3154.0,3166.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] that you have seen just get transformed? Where they believed all of this indoctrination that we're all surrounded by very early, and not instinctively see the injustice, but learn step by step and say, \"Oh, I get it now.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3166.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nYeah. I've seen ... I came into this work when there was a marriage amendment to ban LGBT people from getting married and it was enshrined into our State Constitution, and lots of people lost hope, but that horrible, horrible time brought people out of the closet and people did not realize that people they knew and love were queer, and I saw people change. I've seen people who were like, rabidly racist come to terms with that and change, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3198.0,3235.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nI've seen my own indoctrination into being a self-hating, queer person, my own indoctrination into the white supremacy culture that is here. I've had my own process of learning and then coming to the point of being just a lot more humble and really value [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3235.0,3259.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] comes to me because it is such a gift. So I am hoping, I can only look at myself to understand motivations and what that arc looks like, but I hope that other people will come to terms with the oppression that we are all indoctrinated into and will become more humble and willing to receive and give critical feedback.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3259.0,3286.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThank you so much, Melissa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3286.0,3287.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3287.0,3288.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe really appreciate having you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3288.0,3290.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977/transcript/87854/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MELISSA MOORE\n\nThank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164260/file/298977#t=3290.0,3292.0"}]}]}]}