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Interested in the transitioning economies in Eastern Europe and Eurasia in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union, Allen started working for the EastWest Institute in the Private Sector Initiative, a program aimed at wedding private and public interest in the changing landscape in Europe in the 1990s. After Allen left EWI in 1999 to work in Turkey and Eurasia, he later returned to EWI as a member of the Board of Counselors. He discusses John Mroz's unique leadership style and recommends that students of international relations seek opportunities to live in foreign countries.\u003c/p\u003e (abstract)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Contributing Institution"]},"value":{"en":["College of Charleston Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Media Type"]},"value":{"en":["Oral History"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject - Personal or Corporate"]},"value":{"en":["EastWest Institute","Goldman, Sachs \u0026amp; Co.","Kendall, Donald M.","Koç Üniversitesi","Mroz, John Edwin","Russell, George F."]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject - Topical"]},"value":{"en":["Economics","Entrepreneurship","Finance","Geopolitics","International relations","Non-governmental organizations","Organizational change"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject - Geographic"]},"value":{"en":["Eurasia","Russia","Turkey","Ukraine"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type IMT"]},"value":{"en":["video/mp4"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCopyright © College of Charleston\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date Digital"]},"value":{"en":["2023-04-26"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAllen Collinsworth discusses in this interview how he came to work for the EastWest Institute after starting his career in banking on Wall Street. Interested in the transitioning economies in Eastern Europe and Eurasia in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union, Allen started working for the EastWest Institute in the Private Sector Initiative, a program aimed at wedding private and public interest in the changing landscape in Europe in the 1990s. After Allen left EWI in 1999 to work in Turkey and Eurasia, he later returned to EWI as a member of the Board of Counselors. 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Today is March 15th, 2023 and this is an oral history for the EastWest Institute Oral History Project. Please start by introducing yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=2.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nYes. My name is Allen Collinsworth and I am the president and owner of Fara Group Inc, a US based management, consulting and investigation company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=14.0,27.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nAnd Allen, what was your role at the EastWest Institute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=27.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI became involved in the EastWest Institute in the 1990s. I was on staff, I was the director of corporate programs. I was in and out of the institute as a consultant and later joined the Board of Counselors and continued to work in a pro bono capacity for over a decade up until its closure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=31.0,56.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nWhen did you first hear about the EastWest Institute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=56.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI heard about the EastWest Institute in the mid nineties. I had been living in Europe, been working and studying abroad and traveling for several years, and I returned to New York and I was working as a banker on Wall Street. Goldman Sachs. And I became, I don't want to say bored, but I wanted a taste for the frontier markets. The sterile atmosphere of being in a bank, the economic motivations were certainly there, but I wanted to get involved in emerging markets. EastWest Institute had an interest or a focus in the transition economies of the former Soviet Union. My interest was Central Asia. I had traveled there. My studies were in transition economics and economic geography, and I wanted to apply that background professionally. The EastWest Institute was hosting very senior delegations from Central Asia and the former Eastern Bloc countries of Central Europe in New York. And some of my colleagues, actually a friend from London School of Economics who had also moved to New York City introduced me. So I made numerous visits and I got introduced to John Mroz who I ended up working for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=59.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nDo you remember your first meeting with John Mroz?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=172.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI do. It was on the Broad Street office over in, I believe it's 400 Broad Street. And yeah, he had that office with loads of books up on his bookshelf with hundreds of books on former Soviet Union and Middle East. As you know, he was working. His initial start was actually in the Middle East in the Palestinian Territories and resolving those conflicts. Yeah, he was a real intellectual entrepreneur. He was really switched on. As you know, he was a great fundraiser. He liked that I had a private sector background, at the same time, had an interest in the policy sector. And ultimately my role became one of bridging the two. Very often you have the private sector people. They're focused about on making money as their private sector almost exclusively. Then you have the think tank world. This is completely focused on policy, but sometimes the policy and where the rubber meets the road, where the private sector operates, the two don't come together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=175.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was my role was to merge the two. So coming from an investment banking background and in the area of deal development, understanding the mentality of private sector, also understanding the mentality of the policy community. I try to make those relationships mutually beneficial. We started something called the Private Sector Initiative, which was chaired by George Russell. He headed that and Don Kendall of Pepsi. He was very active, former CEO of Pepsi. Amongst some other blue chip leaders from American companies. The purpose of the Private Sector Initiative was another vertical to assist Russia and its transition and its integration into the world economy. This is of the interest of the Russian government, but it's also in the interest of the companies involved as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=270.0,343.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because to do business in Russia, you certainly need to understand the risks they needed to mitigate and develop the relationships to succeed. The Private Sector Initiative became a platform for a very pluralistic group of people, an eclectic group of people to come together to forge policy and it wasn't exclusively private sector and policy wonks, we're going to use that term, or policy experts. We'd also have military. Ultimately it morphed into having even religious leaders as well. I recall a company called AGCO, it's a tractor company out of Georgia. There were some issues in Ukraine and so we pulled together AGCO and the Minister of Agriculture and some other Democrats, and we got together and we helped the Ukrainians bring new thinking into their agricultural policy. Naturally that was good for AGCO. I don't know if any business manifested from that meeting, but again, it established a forum where different minds could come together for the common good. Those are two examples.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=343.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My role, I was the director of corporate programs and I was very much interested in Eurasian energy security. We also did work with the investment banking community and the oil companies. I remember specifically we had our first Eurasia strategy group meeting at Castel Gandolfo in Italy, in Rome with [inaudible] and Morgan Stanley. And we brought foreign ministry officials, deputy secretary level of the Central Asian Republics to talk about energy security because in the former Soviet space of Central Asia and the caucuses, there had not been a grouping of foreign policy leaders or even the policy makers coming together and talking about the energy security challenges that confronted those regions and those countries. And those countries almost entirely relied on their energy sectors and their exports for their economic viability.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=439.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that was a really important role we played. Henry Kissinger chaired that, and we had just a great kickoff meeting in Castel Gandolfo, and a lot of things splintered out from that. In fact, I probably should have started because that predated the Private Sector Initiative, but that's really why I came in. That's what really pulled me in the institute. That's what I wanted to do and that's what I offered to John and he thought it was a good idea and it certainly got legs. EastWest Institute raised some good money and I think we did some good for the region as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=517.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. I imagine you did a lot of traveling through the former Soviet space. What was it like in former Soviet countries in the 1990s in your experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=558.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nIt really came a long way quickly. That's a really good question. I have to reflect. Well, in the United States or New York specifically. Everything's very structured. You see CVS and Barnes \u0026 Noble, I guess those are going out as well, but over there, there's no big name brands sort of shops. Everything's very mom and pop. You have a sense that you very much rely on your community network or your families. A very tribal minded geography. That would hold true for the entire region. States were very weak. The state structures were not developed as they are now. And as a consequence, you know if something went wrong, you wouldn't be able to rely on the state's structures or the police. Obviously in your twenties, that's exciting. At another stage in life, that might not be so appealing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=569.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think the region is made an enormous gain since then. I think that's still the case if you have a functioning democracy with developed institutions and rule of law. Compared with the opposite of that, you're going to have the same situation. But since the nineties, things have turned in a good direction from a personal security perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=666.0,697.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. You mentioned some of the successes that you saw with the projects you worked on with the EastWest Institute. Were there any challenges that you faced?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=697.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nOf course, there are always challenges. I think with any organization, it comes down to fundraising. Although I'd say John Mroz was the best fundraiser that I've ever come across with. So let me pause on that one. The biggest challenges. I know you gave me the questions before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=708.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat's okay. No worries. We can keep talking and if something comes to mind, we can circle back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=744.0,749.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI'm sure a problem will—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=749.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. So it sounds like you worked pretty closely with John. Were there any other people you remember that you worked with closely at EWI?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=750.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nYeah, Rado Petkov, Stephen Heintz, [inaudible], Robert Orttung, Rick Petri. Those names come to mind. Those were I guess in the earlier days, but I worked with... Then and afterwards, and of course the board, they were Leo Schenker and George Russell. In my capacity, I also got to interact with the board, which was great. Being in your twenties and having just access to such accomplished... People had just so much, just enormous experience and at the commanding heights of the huge enterprises that they had built and managed was great. That was the trade off, I think, of working with the EastWest Institute is an aggressive scrappy think tank. An investment bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=759.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. As you probably know, the EastWest Institute changed many times, sort of a chameleon throughout its existence. What was your sense of where the institute was at in terms of its mission when you came on board?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=835.0,854.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nJohn used to always say, \"We have to reinvent ourself.\" And the interesting thing is he said that all the time. It wasn't always... 9/11 happened. Those were the big events, but I think the need to recreate was just built into the DNA of the institute. Some of the transitions were also global transitions. There was the nineties with the... Okay, that predated me, the fall of Berlin Wall and perestroika and glasnost, the breaking apart of the former Soviet Union. But I came in a few years after that or maybe five or six years after that. But that was still going on. It was about transition economics. Then you had the war in the Balkans. That was a big event I think in US and EastWest Institute was there. Martti Ahtisaari, who's a board member and former president of Finland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=854.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nDid the Balkan War affect the projects that you were on or were they sort of in different spheres?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=949.0,957.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI was more focused on the energy sector, but I got pulled in. At the institute, we had grant funding. And grant funding's great because it's more sustaining and you can keep a program going long term, whether or not it's in vogue or not, or whether or not it's money making. But the reality is that financing is very fickle and the granting community wants to be involved in what's hot. I think one of the constant internal discussions, John was very dynamic and it's like, \"Okay, today's energy security. All right, now there's Balkans. Okay, now there's 9/11, we got to get into the Middle East. We got to get into violent extremism.\" And then we're collective farming in Ukraine because that's sort of the big deal then. And then it's Afghanistan. We got to be there. I'd say John was the gas and Stephen Heintz was the break. I think it was a good balance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=957.0,1037.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think the institute was trying to react to what the need of the moment was. They were, I think, a frontier organization. They were kind of like the Marines. They were somewhat of a first responder because it was nimble and it just had a very supportive board of directors that were able to stand behind those new initiatives. The institute was able to respond quickly, and I think they liked it. The board liked it. They wanted to be along for the ride. Every year there was a board meeting in a different country. And if Balkans was hot, when the Balkans was the big deal, we were over in... Where did we go? Not Moldova, but anyway, we were marching through the Balkans. Then one year we were in Moscow. Another year in Dallas for cybersecurity. And then we were in Amman talking about... We were also an Abu Dhabi talking about religious extremism or violent extremism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1037.0,1122.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the institute liked to be a part of that. I think another very interesting partnership that speaks to how the EastWest Institute bridged different sectors was the Russell 2020 Association. The name the Russell 2020 in the financial sector is a household name, or I guess it would be an office name because it's one of the leading indexes that defines the stock market. It's a small cap index stock. And the EastWest Institute, one of the birth childs of that was the 2020 Association, which was a group of pension fund managers that would travel the world and would meet with the officials of the target country and talk about their sovereign risk and the sovereign risk perceptions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1122.0,1185.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And obviously they were focused on emerging markets. And obviously those emerging markets were very interested in attracting the capital. We were able to get in incredible access that was mutually beneficial. The countries were able to attract investment finance from the institutional funds into their country. And likewise for the institutional funds, they were able to learn more about the actual risk. I can say that this was a huge motivator for the emerging markets to up their game, become more transparent, and to do what they need to do to obviously improve the perceptions, but to improve the perceptions you have to make real change. I think that was a really good partnership, and it's is something that is part of the legacy of the EastWest Institute. It's something that John Mroz and George Russell created and that 2020 association is still around and I'm still involved and in contact with those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1185.0,1259.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat's great. How did your view of the EastWest Institute... Did it change, I guess, when you moved on from being a staff member to being on the board of counselors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1259.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nYeah. Of course there's one thing when you're a contractor or you're an employee, when you're a staffer, you're answering to somebody and you're delivering... You don't work for a think tank because of the paycheck. You're doing it because you believe in the cause. I think when you're working in a pro bono capacity, I think things are probably a little more chill if you don't... You don't have to show up for work, only during the board meeting once a year. Whereas if you're getting paid, you got to show up for work every day, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1274.0,1323.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nOf course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1323.0,1324.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nAnd show deliverables. But I think both were good. I'm glad I had the opportunity for both. But I think one of the great things, I always felt that EastWest Institute was a very flat organization. A very open organization, a very positive work environment. I think that the board and the staff had a very seamless interaction. It was something that was encouraged, and I think that the board and the staff both enjoyed that relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1324.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, that's great. When did you move on from the institute and what informed your decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1362.0,1372.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nIt's interesting. We were working on the Turkey-Greece rapprochement, and this was after a horrendous earthquake rocked both countries. There was just a recent earthquake in Turkey about a month ago, which even now is worse than the one that the Turkey suffered in, I believe it was 1999. So the EastWest Institute, out of that... I mean during that time they began recognizing the reproachment and both Turkey and Greece had an outpouring for each other of not only emotion emotional support, but they were sending their earthquake rescue teams to rescue the other. And through that, when people called earthquake diplomacy, they began to collaborate. Let's say they began to talk, and that became a confidence building measure between the two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1372.0,1447.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We hosted a foreign minister Cem of [Turkey] and foreign minister Papandreou [of Greece], and we also got involved with some other NGOs or civil society organizations and inviting municipal leaders. And I was asked by one to try to reach out to the mayor of Istanbul, Mayor Ali Müfit Gürtuna. On behalf of another organization, I extended an invitation to him to speak at an event and he invited me to Turkey. A couple months later I got on the ground there and was able to string some things together. And it actually led to me taking on some consulting work in Turkey, which after speaking with John, we thought it was a good jump off point after I had served for about four years at the EastWest Institute. It was a time where I would keep one foot in the institute, but also get into those frontier markets that I always wanted to be involved in. But I still continued to be very intimately involved in the institute throughout my career until its closure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1447.0,1527.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. What are you proudest of of your time at the EastWest Institute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1527.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nIt was private sector and policy community don't speak the same language. They've got similar drives or they did then. I think I was very good at getting them together and to talking and helping each other reach the others' goals. Now, I think that is more of a thing now. SEO. These social responsibility initiatives is something that's part of all organizations, but it wasn't in the nineties. I'm not taking credit that it was me who did it. I'm not obviously. But I recognized it. I recognized that... I think the people that were involved in the institute cared about it and I think they wanted to do it, but there wasn't really a name for it. But I think my contribution was that, at least getting both sides by creating a corporate program. This purpose was to do that. That at least within one organization, I helped mainstream that thinking and made a functioning program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1533.0,1640.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, that's pretty great. I think one of the things that I've been asking folks with this project is sort of big picture. If you had to explain it to someone who wasn't familiar with the institute, what would you say the institute's biggest contribution was in the international sphere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1640.0,1665.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nGetting people to talk to each other that ordinarily wouldn't talk to each other and getting them a, I think, mobilizing interest and issues that matter that were important. Whether it's the Russell 2020 and getting billions of... Actually, collectively, trillions of dollars in managed capital coming to a country and considering investing there would not have happened if the EastWest Institute had never existed. I think you can do the same thing. Would the countries of southeastern Europe have sorted out their problems without the EastWest Institute? Yeah, but did it happen faster and seamlessly because EastWest Institute? Yes, they certainly can contributed. I think the same holds true for the work in the Middle East and building understanding about the sensitivities around religion and also the problems of violent extremism and in bringing sides together, even coming up with nomenclature of how to even talk about it. They advanced the discussion because they brought people together that normally wouldn't talk to each other and ordinarily wouldn't meet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1665.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. Another thing that I'm asking everyone since this is a resource, not just for historians, but for students, is as someone who's had an interesting and varied career in the international space, what would you recommend for students perhaps at the undergraduate level of international relations? What's your advice for them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1758.0,1779.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI'd say get out of United States and live in another country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1779.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1785.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nI mean, go anywhere and just get out of your comfort zone. Get out of the United States and try to integrate yourself into the local community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1786.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nWonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1801.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nRely on them and let them rely on you and just become a part of a foreign community is what I advise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1802.0,1815.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nGreat. Well, that comes to the end of my questions. I just want to thank you very much for your time and for participating in this. I will pause the recording and we can do a little housekeeping after that, but I just wanted to... Yeah. Thank you very much for your recollections and for your participation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1815.0,1834.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN COLLINSWORTH\n\nSure. Well, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1834.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512/transcript/42549/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. Wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/88960/file/184512#t=1835.0,1836.608"}]}]}]}