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Calhoun pt. 1 - Edited Transcript.docx [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWould you give us your name and spell both first and last for us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=0.0,5.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nMy name is Daron Lee Calhoun II. That's D-A-R-O-N L-E-E C-A-L-H-O-U-N, the Second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=5.0,15.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd you're from where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=15.0,17.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOriginally, I'm born and raised in Detroit, Michigan, but I lived in Atlanta before I came to Charleston in 2012.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=17.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHow do you define what it is you do? Where - [Laughter.] That's not good. What's your job title? Where are you working?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=28.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nMy job title is the Facilities Public Programming Outreach Director at the Avery Research Center for African American History and Culture - coordinator for that position. I direct the Race and Social Justice Initiative at the College of Charleston, under-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=37.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThat's a little bit too fast. Slow that up a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=53.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\n... my official title at the Avery would be the Facilities Outreach and Public Programming Coordinator. I direct the Race and Social Justice Initiative at the Avery Research Center. Those are my professional duties that I get paid to do, I believe. I think that's all of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=60.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYeah, that's good. I'm going to ask you to start off by saying, did Charleston find you or did you find Charleston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=76.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah, Charleston landed on me. [Laughter.] So, I came to Charleston in 2012 for grad school. I was working at Morehouse at the time, my alma mater, for two years under the 150th anniversary history project. And I had students working for me, but I had a student who had a no-call, no-show. When he did that, I was like, \"You got to show me something. why you won't be getting fired right now.\" And he gave me a packet for the College of Charleston. He said he was at a graduate school fair. I was like, \"Okay, I think that's fine.\" So, it was sitting on my desk for about a week, and I looked at it, and I was like, \"I probably should look into going to grad school now.\" I was already looking at a couple of PhD programs, because I wanted to go straight from Bachelor's to PhD. But then something said, I was like, \"Well, no, I want to stay in the South.\" And the only two PhD programs I would go to are in the North - Northwestern, and then SUNY Buffalo. I didn't want to be cold - I don't like being cold, which is why I'm in the South.\n\nSo, I looked at the College of Charleston. The graduate director at the time, Jason Cloy, was like, \"Come down and I'll show you around.\" And at that moment, when I first came down to Charleston, just to take a look at the school, I fell in love. I knew nothing about Charleston. However, the only thing I did know about Charleston was, my family was initially from here. Being from the Detroit, with the Great Migration, they came through Charleston. Obviously the guy, Calhoun, owned my family, and he took us up to Abbeville, up, 96 South Carolina, and that's where all the Calhouns were. They built Clemson, so I want my reparations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=88.0,194.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut yeah, that's how I found Charleston. It landed on me. I never in my life saw myself ever living in South Carolina. Never even been to South Carolina, never thought about South Carolina. But, came down for that grad interview and got in, and been here ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=194.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat do you think it is, now that you've had a good number of years to think about it? What is it about this environment that has just captured you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=213.0,226.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIt's home. [Laughter.] I mean, it's absolutely home for me now. What captured me initially was my activism and organizing. I've started becoming a organizer in 2006 - I was an activist - but I've started becoming an organizer in 2006 with Jena Six, the Jena Six movement. One thing about organizing in Atlanta? There are too many voices. It was just - you're just a voice in the void, and you were – there were so many -just a raindrop in the bucket. Everybody's doing this over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=226.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nDuring that time, it would've been Jena Six organizers in the AUC, Jena Six organizers down in Fulton County, Jena Six organizers for Atlanta, and then for the county and this and that, this and that. But when I got to Charleston, I actually felt as if my voice was making a difference. So even after all this movement and whatnot, when I left and I tried to go back to Atlanta to organize with Black Lives Matter in Atlanta, I was like, \"I'm not making a difference here. I'm just another person out here just saying everything that everybody else is saying.\" There, it was more about the spotlight and everybody wanted to be in front of the camera, but they weren't doing a lot of behind-the-scenes organizing, which I do. I'm the organizer who's doing everything behind the scenes. So that's what caught me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=265.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI always said, \"I can't stand Charleston, but I have a purpose here.\" I have a love-hate relationship with Charleston, but I have a purpose here, so I'll be here until my purpose is fulfilled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=312.0,327.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat kinds of organizing? You got attracted almost immediately; was there a lot of energy going on in the streets or on the campus? I mean, what got your attention initially?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=327.0,346.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIn Charleston? That would be educational organizing that was going on at the time in 2012 or '13. And I can't remember if that was QEP at the time, but there were a few organizing groups. When I said “QEP” - the Quality Education Project. But my field is history of African American higher education. I look at the history of HBCUs and the foundings and fundings of them. But then when you're doing that, it automatically goes down into the historically Black high schools, the historically Black elementary schools. So I'm always thinking about the viability and the vitality of those schools and keeping them alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=346.0,396.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo when I seen what was going on, the very first thing was Burke High School, finding out about how they were trying to gentrify, and you know, change Burke over to a charter school. And I was like, \"No, absolutely not. That's a historically Black high school.\" Then working at the Avery, finding out about the history of Avery, Burke, Dart High School, Dart Library, whatnot, I was like, \"Oh, that's what I'm attracted to.\" So I started going to the District 20 constituent board meetings. I started going to the SIC meetings. I found out about the Quality Education Project. I found out about a couple other organizers and activist groups looking specifically at educational organizing, and that's where I fell in. That was my introduction to organizing and activism in Charleston. Like I said, I was always doing things in Atlanta or whatnot, but here I fell into that field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=396.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat's the source of your interest in community activism? Are you coming from a family background of this kind of civic engagement? Where do you think this fire is stemming from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=456.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI have no idea. [Laughter.] Honestly, I would say it's from, if I could put it to something, it would be my elders, but not necessarily within my family. I mean, I could say it was from my family. My father is the director of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, up in Richmond, right now. He's been working for the EELC for my entire life. But that wasn't always it, you know? Because I'm not a big fan of the government like that, so. But I really think it came from my professors and my elders who helped me through this, like Dr. Marcellus Barksdale, who told me, \"You can read every book in the world, but if you don't have context then you can just...you’re going to go astray.\" My freshman year at Morehouse, I changed my religion three times after reading like Autobiography of Malcolm X and this and that and this and that. But he, he's the one that brought me and said, \"You need to have context when reading these things. You're reading Franz Fanon, now you need to know how to put that into the proper context.\" Meeting people on the academic side, but then also in the streets around the AUC, that brought me in, it was like, \"Okay,” you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=480.0,551.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThe Atlanta University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=551.0,554.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe Atlanta University Center, learning about H. Rap Brown, Imam Jamil Al-Amin, you know how he's a political prisoner. So I'm like, \"This is really happening right now. This happened that he got arrested around the corner from campus in the West End. This could happen to anybody.\" Then, at Morehouse being a chauffeur for Vincent Hardy, and him driving me around and telling me about all the work that he did inside of Atlanta, and then learning about the Atlanta student movement and being around Julian Bond and these people, and everybody that Morehouse exposed me to, that's where my fire came. And then when I got to Charleston, meeting people that are living legends. I was like... You don’t, really, not a lot of people can experience that. So I start meeting people that were part of a lot of the Charleston movement in the '60s, meeting people like Jim Campbell and learning about dialectical materialism. I was like, \"All right, you're blowing my mind right now,” and - I need to start being pulled back - meeting you, Millicent Brown. That was those type of things, exposed me to something that I will never get rid of, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=554.0,631.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah, it was the elders, not necessarily within my family. It was just the people who I can actually say I was lucky enough to be put around, through my different connections and whatnot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=631.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou have, then, obviously a real appreciation for the importance of education. Now let's talk about when you step off campus. Tell us a little bit about what that process was, has, been like, if you would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=646.0,664.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWhen I stepped off campus at the College of Charleston? [Laughter.] I didn't like being on campus at the College of Charleston, to be quite honest. My first year in the grad program, I almost dropped out that very first September because somebody, it was an old white teacher from CCSD taking a grad class with us, and he antagonized me every single Tuesday. I didn't feel supported by the professor because he didn't stop it. And I had to go back and tell him that years later, like, \"Yo, you didn't stop any of that racism that was going on in the class. You saw it as a spirited discussion going on inside of your grad class that usually nobody's talking in. I felt attacked.” And I was about to fight this student in the class when he told me that “housing segregation had nothing to do with Black or white. It was all about state's rights and all about people's rights to where they want to live.” Or “the Black Panthers were just an antagonist group and the FBI should have put a bullet in them.” I'm like, \"You're not stopping this and now I'm going to have to fight this dude in class, because I'm right here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=664.0,745.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo, when I step off campus and I already have that in me from being on campus, I step out into the streets of Charleston, and...leaving from that same class, we used to have class at a bar on Wentworth Street. I see this white woman clutching her purse as I'm walking out of this bar like I'm about to do something. I'm like, \"I'm in grad school! I got a briefcase on me. Like, what do you think I'm about to do to you?\" And so at that point I was like, \"Okay, if y'all are going to do that, I'm going to antagonize” - that was my wrong mindset - \"Okay, I'm going to scare you then. If you think I'm scary, I'm going to scare you.\" But I just had to change that a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=745.0,787.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThat was short-lived?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=787.0,789.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIt was very short-lived because I also didn't want to get arrested in Charleston. But me driving - thinking about getting arrested in Charleston - I was pulled over my first year in grad school. I was pulled over in front of the Avery, I was pulled over on 61 for stealing my own truck. I was pulled over in front of the Avery, to where our director at the time, Dr. Lessane, had to come out and cuss them out and say, \"Y'all better leave him alone, and I'm calling his lawyer right now.\" I don't even have a lawyer, but she was like, \"I'm calling his lawyer because y'all keep pulling him over.\" I got pulled over for having an Lexus. I got pulled over for buying my own truck. I got pulled over for a taillight. And so I was getting very upset and I wanted to leave Charleston by September, but something kept me here. I think it was the Avery. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=789.0,836.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI hated Charleston. I hated the racism. It was a culture shock for me, coming from my HBCU, being into this white place, having to walk across the street from the guy that owned my family - on a statue and on a street name. And everybody's saying, \"Oh, Calhoun? Oh, like the street?\" No, no, no. Yeah, that guy owned my family, so yeah, I'm still a Calhoun. So, Charleston was very... There were only certain spaces that I felt safe in, or that I felt as if I could be in, Avery being one of them, being inside of certain people houses or whatnot. It wasn't inside the grad school. I couldn't stand the grad school. I still don't like it. I won't step foot on the Citadel’s campus. So...yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=836.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nKeep going. Tell us about how you resolved that. I mean you stay, but how do you make that bridge between this graduate student persona and your desire to attack some of that systemic racism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=884.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI realized that I have my voice, that my voice actually matters. I meet organizers, I meet activists, I meet elders who were part of the struggle and who are part of the struggle, and it gives me hope. It gives me a purpose. That kind of goes back to what I was just saying about, you know, scaring that white woman that I didn't scare. If I can walk into a room and you're like, \"Oh God, here comes Daron.\" I'm like, \"Oh, now I'm there.\" It happens to this day. If City Council see me, they're like, \"Oh Lord, here you come.\" I enjoy that now. Like I said, it gives me my purpose, like, \"Okay, you know I'm coming here and I'm not just saying things just so you can see me and I'm just talking out the side of my neck. I'm saying things and I'm doing things that you know you should have been doing a long time ago. And as long as I'm here, I'm going to keep reminding you that these are things that should have been done a long time ago.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=918.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's be specific. Tell us a little bit about the ways in which you engage. And we know that's a long list.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=987.0,998.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah, let's think about some of the things that I do. I'm on the Constituent Board for District 10, Charleston County School Board. I've been on numerous boards for the mayor, like the Mayor's Commission on Children, Youth, and Family; the Special Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation for the mayor. I've been on even people - thinking about inside of Black Lives Matter - when we were having the meetings for or trying to have the meetings with Elliot Summey and Keith Summey, and Walter Scott, being inside of those meetings. Saying, \"We need a police audit. We need a Citizens’ Review Board. You know we need a Citizens’ Review Board. And not just a Citizens’ Review Board, we need a Citizens’ Review Board with subpoena powers, specifically. You can put any board you want together, but we want one with subpoena powers, and you know we should have one. Because if not, when I walk inside of this restaurant that I know you're going to be at every morning at 7:30, meeting with your police chief and meeting with all the top record officials and you see my face, you already know what I'm going to ask for.\"\n\nI mean, we can see it now when I’m meeting, when I see Tecklenburg. “Can I get my ordinance for the Special Commission now?” “We changed over the Board.” “You know I'm going to ask you that question and you know that's something that should have been done, but y'all played politics with it and you let it slide through. So now you just going to have to hear my voice until it gets done.\" You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=998.0,1092.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThere's certain things like, \"It’s a school board. Why aren't you funding these schools? And, well, you know that this model for the charter schools,” and I tell them, \"Anybody on the committee at home, you know that this model for the charter school work. You don't need to put the charter school within our public school. Take the model, duplicate the model, and put it inside of our school and put the money towards it. You just got $69 million. That sounds like enough money for me. Duplicate the model. And if you're not going to do it, why can't you do it? If you're not going to do it, why aren't you doing it? What's the problem? Because we don't need Ben Navarro coming in here and taking over our schools. We don't need these people coming in and taking over our schools. We have the money to implement the things that we know that we should have been doing. It's just historically underfunded schools. We know it's been like that. So stop playing with it. And every time you see me, I'm going to remind you.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1092.0,1145.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI learned that stuff from some of my elders. Just keep pounding it and keep pounding it, because eventually they're going to listen to you. It might not be when I'm here, it might not be while I'm still here, but they're going to eventually have to do something because the ice is about to break again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1145.0,1164.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nIn the examples you gave, you are indicating that you still believe that the system or systems that impact our lives locally can work or be transformed. Because you talk about meeting with Mayor Tecklenburg or Mayor Summey, whatever. Talk a little bit about your belief in change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1164.0,1204.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI believe we could have had change back in 2015. After 2015? I'm very pessimistic now. And for some of these-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1204.0,1216.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd for the purpose of the tape, tell us, when you say 2015...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1216.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBack when we... I was optimistic in April of 2015 when they arrested Michael Slager-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1224.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nFor the?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1230.0,1231.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\n...for the killing of Walter Scott. That was that Wednesday, that first Wednesday in April. When we start trying to get reform, true reform done, and I noticed that they would call a meeting and say, \"All right, we're going to meet Monday morning to talk about the Citizens’ Review Board, blah, blah, blah blah,\" and then they would cancel the meeting 15 minutes before, or they would change a meeting and move it to a place that you weren't at, so you're at one place and it's somewhere else. That's when I was like, \"Okay, maybe we just need to change the system.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1231.0,1268.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThen I would – you know, they put you on all - when I say they, people in power will give you all these titles - they'll put you on a board here, they'll put you on a board here, and meet you out, and then they start recognizing that system. I'm like, \"Alright.\" Year by year I got more pessimistic. I'm like, \"All right, this is getting irritating. Now I feel as if we just need to tear the whole system down, and I don't care. We just need to tear the whole system.\" Because we keep putting in, \"I have all this hope, I have all this hope,\" to where even with this last board, the Special Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1268.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhich is a city commission?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1319.0,1321.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\n... a City of Charleston-led commission. And Amber Johnson, who actually works for the city and, at the time, John Mitchell, they had to call me and convince me to come on it. Because I told them, \"It's not going to change. What I don't want to happen is a year later we get there and it's time for them to vote on a ordinance of whatever we try to put forward and it fails.” And that's exactly what happened. So now I'm just like, \"Tear the whole system down.\" I don't think the system will work. As long as we have this - as long as we have some of the leadership, as long as we have some of these systems that have not been addressed, you can't have reconciliation because we were never there in the first place. You can't even get to the reconciliation process if you don't know what the truth is. And as long as the City of Charleston or City of North Charleston or even this region that we're staying in don't want to get to the truth, we going to stay right here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1321.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nColumbia is the worst and we're just going to be right here, you know? If they can gerrymander, they can do all these different things to where they can stay in power because they don't want to go get rid of their power and have this, have their power for generations on out, then okay, let's just tear it down and start over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1391.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI remember right after the killing of Walter Scott and we were having a meeting outside of North Charleston City Hall. That's when the national press first got there. Fox News said I was going to blow up Charleston, because I said, \"We were going to get justice by any means necessary.\" I didn't say it, but I said, \"We're going to get justice by any means necessary.\" And so they went on and ran it. There was a news article that said I was going to blow up Charleston, because it was right after Baltimore had their uprising up there and so they were looking for Charleston to have the same exact thing. They were looking for Charleston to have an uprising and wanted to see how bad it was. It was nasty the way the national media came down to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1412.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI'm all down for tearing it down. [Laughter.] And, I mean, when they finally took down the Calhoun statue, we’ve seen that they had to use a diamond cutter to take the statue down. They couldn't just knock it down. They had to use a diamond cutter to cut it down. I said within the news that that's just the same way about racism in Charleston, racism in America. If you're not intentional, it's just going to be there. You could take down the head of it, but the entire thing that it's standing on will still be there. You have to be intentional about tearing down these systems and tearing down systemic racism, tearing down any systemic oppression that's going on. Because if you don't, it's just going to be there and something else is going to grow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1461.0,1512.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat are some of the specific tools? What are your diamond cutters? Tell us a little bit about how you see this dismantling, not of a statue but of a system?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1512.0,1529.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nEducation, and particularly educating the youth about the history. Because, the experience you come from - if you don't know where you come from, you're not going to know where to go. If you don't have that foundation, then you won't have anything to build upon. So, specifically educating the youth about the history of this space, about our people, and about the oppression that we have overcome but we are still living within. Getting them to recognize that they can call it - for instance, they can say, \"We're in integrated schools,\" but realizing that we're not. They can say that, \"Oh, you can sit at the front of the bus,\" but what if there's no bus to actually get on because we have bad transportation, you know? They can say that, \"Oh, you can go anywhere inside this country,\" or, \"You can pull yourself up by your own bootstraps,\" but you don't have any shoestrings. And why don't you? Getting them to realize why don't you even have shoes to put on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1529.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI'm there for that historical part. That will be my biggest weapon, is being able to educate and interpret the history so people can take what we have. to move, to build upon. I think that'll be my biggest weapon I have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1599.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBut you've done a lot of other things, though. You've worked with other people. Talk a little bit about coalition building and outreach, if you will. Beyond the scope of your Avery responsibilities, what are some of those other initiatives that you've been involved with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1621.0,1648.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat's a lot. [Laughter.] And you know, the thing is, I always track everything back to the Avery, so I always try to get to that side of it. But, you know, my organizing has taken me to a lot of places and has given me the opportunity to meet a lot of people who have really great organizations, and particularly within Charleston, from all the educational groups out there, from all the civil rights groups that are out here. One thing that I will always do is try to uplift those organizations so they can help take on their lane. Too often we have folk who are trying to do everything. And it's like, \"Okay. I'm going to help.” If I can help the Lowcountry Action Committee, if I can help hem push up this initiative that they have on the East Side, if I can help the Jewish Federation push up the giving away food in parts of the city or whatnot, if I can help some student group up in North Charleston High School push for getting an African-American curriculum inside of the high school, I would use any resource that I have. I can call somebody from Chicago to talk about movement-building. I can call somebody from D.C. I can call in national leaders that people just want that big name for. I can call them. I have their cell phone numbers, and I can bring them down to help you attain that goal that you're trying to search for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1648.0,1749.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNow, it's hard talking about myself, actually. I hate talking about myself. I just like to be that person who can connect. I work on the back end. I'm a person I hate being in front of the camera. You got me. But I love to work on the backend and try to connect the dots and make things work, if that's to say the least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1749.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHelp us understand what helped connect dots among young activists in Charleston. What pulled people together? And then, obviously, maybe even reflect on what may have kept them apart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1771.0,1798.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYou're talking about 2015?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1798.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm talking about generally within the last 10 years of your presence in this community, you know? I'm just curious about your observations. With all the goals that you've set out, how did that work, pulling in other - or, working with others who felt similar to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1800.0,1829.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe goal brought everyone together. The goal was to... Say we do talk about the Black Lives Matter movement in Charleston, the initial Black Lives Matter movement in Charleston, the goal was getting justice, despite who it was for. Whether getting justice for Mike Brown over in St. Louis, whether it was getting justice for Walter Scott, whether it was getting justice for the Emanuel Nine, the goal was always justice. But then, what did justice look like? That helped bring people together, and also helped pull people apart. Because what one person would say that justice looks like getting a Citizens’ Review Board - I'm thinking about after Walter Scott's killing - one person will say getting justice will be having a Citizens’ Review Board. Another one will say, \"Well, no, justice is making sure we get Michael Slager indicted, convicted, and sent off to jail.\" Somebody else will say, \"No, justice is receiving donations to be able to build an organization that does this and that. Then we can build our own school and then do this, do that, do this.\" We all had a common goal of justice, but nobody knew what justice truly looked like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1829.0,1922.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAs far as another aspect of pulling apart, with some of the younger activists particularly, was some of the younger activists' egos and people wanting to be in front of the camera. And naturally understanding that a lot of the work that's going on, it's only happening because there's a lot of stuff happening on the backend.\n\nI don't know if I mentioned this, but Mr. Campbell - Mr. Jim Campbell - one of the first things he taught me was, everybody can be an activist, but not everybody can be an organizer. Everybody can be active in the streets and be on a bullhorn or be inside of a march and have a picture taken and whatnot, but being able to organize that march, being able to organize who gets to speak, being able to organize to the point of trying to tackle some type of systemic, and bring about some type of systemic, change, not everybody can do that. In order to do that, you have to learn what actions were taken in the past so you can build upon those. I learned that firsthand. I learned that on the ground. I learned that while running inside of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=1922.0,2013.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI always like to give an example when I say that. Muhiyidin, when he played capture the flag with Tyler Bessinger when Bre Newson was at the College of Charleston, you can look at his face to see that he did not have a plan. We were talking with him right before it happened. We can get deeper into the story, but we were talking to him right before it happened. He said he was going to do it. Fine. Well, if you look at his face, he went and grabbed the flag and he stopped and he had no idea where to go. If we were organizing it and we would've planned it out, we could have said, \"Okay, you grabbed the flag. You go directly into the parking lot. We're going to have a car waiting for you right there. You're going to pull out and they will never catch you.” Now, because when he jumped on, you stopped, now you don't have a plan. “Now we just sitting up here. Now you about to get arrested. Now we have to go raise bail. Now we had to go get you out of jail. This all could have been avoided if we had that plan.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2013.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo the action was there and it was an action that needed to be done, but the plan behind it would've gotten us out, and that's the perfect example for everything that happened with Black Lives Matter in Charleston, then and now. Everybody wants the action, but there's a lot of work that go behind the action to get it moving. And like I said, the egos. A lot of people wanted that camera time and we need more people behind the camera to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2073.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat are the ways to teach that lesson that there is this difference between just doing and actually planning out? Have you found that there are ways to get people to listen to that kind of thinking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2106.0,2134.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI have not. I have not, sadly, because we can say it until we're blue in the face, but I have not discovered the perfect way to do it. Because if we could, then... If anybody knew that answer, then we would have a lot better outcomes right now. As long as we have people, we're going to have egos. And as long as we have egos, we're going to have a lot of people who are going to be up front. And not necessarily saying that's a bad thing, because there are some things that are wrong, that are bad within a decentralized movement. There's also some great things that will come out of having a spokesperson or whatnot, that having somebody who can be the face of it, but then rotating it out. And okay, let's keep them on their toes because if they try to take down one person, then they would never be able to catch us. There are some great aspects of doing that. But...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2134.0,2209.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI don't know how to actually convey that to a group of people, be it younger activists. The worst part - to be completely honest, the worst people to try to convey that to - are the older activists. The oldest, they are the worst trying to tell that to, because they will fight you tooth and nail if you tell them that they did something wrong or that they took a misstep, or that maybe we need to come back and think about this. Or that, \"Yes, I understand what you're saying, but we need to try to say this a different way.\" They will take offense to it and be like, \"Well, I'm just going to do this.\" See, that's our problem. Now we have that age discrepancy right here and the activism discrepancy. Yeah, I have not found a way. Like I said, I'll say it until I'm blue in my face, but I have not found the perfect way to package that and put it out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2209.0,2262.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhich of your efforts do you think you are most gratified by?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2262.0,2270.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSchool board. After Avery, after we released the State of Racial Disparities, Charleston County, 2000-2015, and I seen how many of our students - and when I say our students, our Black students - inside of CCSD schools, were being suspended, expelled, arrested within our schools, and I've realized that there is a board that handles all that, handles all of those cases. I immediately said that - we released it in 2017 - I said I was going to run for the board because that way I can have a direct voice in saying, \"These are our students. And if they don't deserve it, they're not getting kicked out.\" I have the power at this point to tell the school, \"You need to get yourself together or get some competent people in there to do it.\" I could say, \"I'm a school board member. You have to listen to me. I'm an elected official.\" Thankfully, I didn't have to run. I hate running campaigns. That seat opened up and I was nominated to hop on the board, and so I was just appointed by seat. I was technically elected by the Constituent Board, and then by the committee as a whole, to hop in the seat. That was kind of before [laughter] that was kind of before they knew who I was. [Laughter.] I was kind of glad my name wasn't all the way out there at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2270.0,2365.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut then, when I actually - my first time on the board of 2018, we started hearing some of these cases, I was like, \"No, this child should have never been suspended. Let's look at that video. This child did nothing wrong. The only reason this child escalated was because she was accused of doing something wrong. If y'all never accused her of doing something wrong, she would've never escalated. This child goes back to school. And hopefully we need to write a letter to the officers who arrested her and get these charges dropped.\" Specifically, during that time, we had a lot of trouble with “disturbing the schools”. I was like, \"Nope, not disturbing the schools. Won't be on the record, because they're going back to school. Because just because this teacher don't understand or just because this teacher believes that this child is disturbing the school just because they don't understand what you're saying, no, absolutely not. You are sending them back to school.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2365.0,2423.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut then like I said, having that pen, that we can write a letter and having the support of our board chair, Rodney Lewis, who will say, \"Okay, no, we need to write a letter to the schools, because this is ridiculous. I don't want to see this case again. I don't want to see any case like this ever again. Y'all need to get your packets together, which means you have to do your research, and you have to actually do a true investigation before it gets sent on to the Department of Alternative Programs before it gets sent to us. I don't want to see another incomplete packet, because that means you're just sending this child to us with no evidence and that's wasting our time. And it's wasting that child's time. You're wasting their parent's time.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2423.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat’s when I realized - I know I'm rambling now, but - when I realized a lot of the students were being expelled and sent to Daniel Jenkins in Liberty Hill because their parents cannot take off the time from work to go, because they couldn't take off the time for work to come to a hearing, so they had to hear their case in absentia, and so they can't even present their side of the story. And usually, nine times out of 10, if you're hearing a case on in absentia, it's going to go towards the school side. They're getting sent to Daniel Jenkins, Liberty Hill, expelled. One of the worst things. Now, we delay – if the parent's having job problems, we're like, \"Alright, delay it, delay it, delay it.\" But eventually, if they they keep delaying, it was like, \"Alright, we're going to have to do this.\" But having the cultural competency of thinking, \"Is there a way we can work around the parent's schedule, because this is very important for them to be at? We need to hear their side of the story.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2463.0,2531.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat's probably been one of my favorite, and one of the things I'm most proud of, about working and doing work in Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2531.0,2547.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat about “least satisfying”?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2547.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nTwo things. Least satisfying was the Special Commission on Equity, Inclusion, and Racial Conciliation. It was a waste of my time. It was a waste of all of our time. And the fact that City Council told us that this would not fail - with the fact that City Council said they had every vote in the bag, there's no way it could fail, and it still failed three times - that irritated me, and that was absolutely, hands-down, the least satisfying experience I've had doing organizing work in Charleston. Trying to work within the system, because I'm being told that the system will work this time, being told the system will work, and the system still ain't working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2557.0,2604.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nMy second-least would be...dealing with North Charleston’s government. Dealing with North Charleston City Council, and dealing with some of our organizing counterparts after Walter Scott. There are people I won't talk to right now because they were sexist, they were homophobic, they were transphobic. They find any -phobia and they put it towards it. They were part of that. And they still owe me five minutes. I want those five minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2604.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm not sure I understand what you mean about the five minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2661.0,2664.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI want to fight. [Laughter.] Or, there are some people who I refuse to work with on any initiative that they have today, just because I know how they use people - and some of our people, and some of our people whose work was vital to the movement for that game, but then trashed them and tore them down in the process of it. I cannot consciously work with them or be in the same space as them. There are some people within the movement in 2015 that were some of the fakest people I've ever been around. Because we could have our brothers and sisters in SONG, Southerners on New Ground, shut down the bridge. They'll be up at Leeds Avenue at the jail singing kumbaya and everything to help try to get them out, but then two days later talking about how trans women and trans men are not part of the movement. They can't do this, they can’t do that? I was like, \"They just shut down the bridge. They literally just shut down the bridge, something you were scared to do. They are more manly and more womanly than you ever will be.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2664.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nContradiction seems to really bother you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2751.0,2754.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAbsolutely. Stand on what you are. Stand on what you are. Because if you don't, they're going to tear this whole thing down and our entire movement will crumble. Everything that we thought we were building, we just found out was being built on sand. I hate contradictions. You know? Don't do that now. Because now you're just using their work. And also, I'm an academic too. I hate plagiarizing. [Laughter.] I hate plagiarism. Cite your work. You want to use this movement? Know who it was founded by. Know the history of the movement. You want to use the movement - and even think about some older ones - they want to use the movement of the civil rights movement. \"Oh, well, back in the '60s, we did it like this. We did it like that. Black men.\" Well, think about those women who led the movement who were the backbone of that movement in the '60s. Let's talk about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2754.0,2809.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAt the time, we were going back and forth with some of the elders. The book At the Dark End of the Street just came out. It just came out. I'm like, \"That book would tell you everything about these women in the civil rights movement in the '60s. And how they really truly led the movement, but all these Black male pastors took over the limelight of it. But if you really want to get down to that, let's talk about it.\" I don't like contradictions and taking credit for other people's work. Give credit where it's due.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2809.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe are in the 21st century, Daron. What do you think the future for you holds? I mean, you've got all these experiences, all these interactions, all these frustrations, but you don't appear to be going away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2844.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI know, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2865.0,2869.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo what is it that you look to for your future and the things that you feel so strongly about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2869.0,2882.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI love seeing these kids. We have some great leaders coming up, and hopefully we can keep them in Charleston. We have some students over at Burke, we have some students at North Charleston High School, we have some students over at West Ashley High School who are about to make some noise. I just pray we can keep them in Charleston, or get them to come back to Charleston to do it. When I see them and see what they're interested in and seeing how they want to learn, and they’re reaching, and they're going out, they're seeking out that information. That encourages me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2882.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nEven some of the students that we have at the College - a few of the students that we have at the College - they inspire me a little bit because it's like, \"Alright. We're going to have a good bunch coming up.\" There were times I was scared. I was like, \"Ugh, I don't know about these kids, man.\" You think about it, being in the world of organizing and activism, after 26, 27, 28, you're getting old, you know? To be out on the streets and doing this and doing that, starting families, whatnot. I'm not going out there to get arrested anymore. I'll help get you out. I also never liked being on the front. I like to be in the background doing things. But you know, with us getting older - I'm 33, that's getting older - seeing a younger group of students who are not even 18 yet getting ready to - not even have us pass over the baton, but having them snatch the baton? I love it. I love it. I love it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2923.0,2988.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSeeing these students over at 75 Calhoun for a committee of the whole Charleston County School District meeting. This is a school board, and we got students just sitting here taking notes. I'm like, \"Oh, my god. What are y'all taking notes for?\" \"Oh, we got an organization. We're trying to see what they're trying to do with Burke. We're going see what they're going to do with the old Lincoln site.\" I'm like, \"Y'all came all the way from Awendaw?\" And they was like, \"No, I came from North Charleston,” but they know what's going on down there. I was like, \"Oh, I need to talk to y'all. I need to talk to y'all.\" And I just left saying, \"We need to talk. Because I have some tools for you and I can show you. I'm a resource for you. And as long as I can be a resource for you, y'all can call me anytime, night or day. I'm always available sometimes.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=2988.0,3038.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou have your frustration with the elders. You're becoming an elder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3038.0,3042.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI know. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3042.0,3047.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo are you an example that maybe even some of the old guard can change?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3047.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI'd say yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3057.0,3061.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou don't have to agree with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3061.0,3063.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI will say yes and no, because some of our old guard now are stuck in their ways and they will be in their way until... They will never be wrong. I feel as if now, we have the access to information to where we can concede some things now. I'm like, \"Okay, I understand how we messed up there, and I'm glad you're pointing this out to me because I would've never seen it that way.\" And I - along with some of the other people that was within the movement with me - I could see us saying, \"Okay, yeah, we definitely messed up there. We definitely messed up there.\" And I'm proud of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3063.0,3115.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSome of the older ones? I have no idea. I just don't see them changing. I say that because they're still out there doing the same thing now that they were doing six years ago, seven years ago. They're still doing that same exact thing. And it's like nothing has changed. You're finding this guy back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. He takes a picture with y'all. Y'all come to do a march, and he flies right back out. And we're still in the same exact spot that we are now. What is that changing? What does that change? Now we just got his pretty face all over the place and acting like he's leading a movement down here and he don't know anything about this place that we're in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3115.0,3152.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo yeah, that's not going to change. They're not going to change. But we accept them for that. We accept them for the role that they play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3152.0,3161.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDo you see yourself setting a new model of leadership?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3161.0,3165.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYes, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think about back in 2017 or '18, the College of Charleston, we have a Halloween incident every single year. I think this year is the only year, outside of COVID, that we didn't have a Halloween incident. I remember when BSU-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3165.0,3193.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThe BSU being?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3193.0,3196.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\n...the Black Student Union at the College of Charleston. They were scared to meet on campus because they knew that there were going to be some type of mole and public safety or somebody from the administration or somebody just sitting in to try to figure out what they're trying to plan. So the president at the time called me and said, \"Can we meet at the Avery?\" I've been at the Avery since 7:00 that morning. And I was like, \"It's 5:00. What time y'all trying to meet?\" \"7:00.\" I was like, \"Y'all trying to meet at 7:00? That'll mean I'll be here for 12 hours.\" But I knew from being inside of the Black Lives Matter time and whatnot, that is very much so possible that they will put some type of administrator in there, and these students need to be able to plan something - plan something big - without having somebody, you know, spy on them. So I was like, \"You got it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3196.0,3252.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThere are only a few elders I know who will be like, \"All right, come on over here, as long as it takes.\" We stayed here till midnight. I was tired. We stayed here till midnight organizing stuff like that. I'm letting them plan everything. And then if they needed me, I'm like, \"All right, I'll tell you where you're going to try to mess up right there. Put together a group to write that letter and then y'all keep going.\" I just stood back. I was not going to plan anything for them - I said, \"Quiet is kept and kept is quiet - you didn't hear this from me. However, I just so happen to know that the board of trustees are going to be here at this time, blah, blah, blah, blah. Keep planning.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3252.0,3292.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI want to be that type of model for these younger students like, \"All right, I'm going to let you plan it. I'm going to help you along the way. If you need me, if you say that you need me, I will give you some type of advice for it. But I want you to make this work.\" I want to see us - as we turn into the older guard, I want to see us help the younger people like that instead of trying to be like, \"Okay, no. Y'all planned this? Okay, now I want to hop out in the front. I'm out in front now. All right. Back in the '60s we did this, blah, blah.\" No, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3292.0,3326.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI will give you the information about what we did in 2015, '16, '17, and let you lead the way that you see fit right now. But if I see you messing up, I going to pull you to the side, like, \"All right, do this. Now go back out there and say it like this. But I want you to be in front. I'm not going to hop in front of your movement. I'm not going to co-opt your movement,\" which is what I have a lot of frustration with a lot of our older guard who don't give credit where it's due. It gets back to that whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3326.0,3358.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou don't see that as optimism for the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3358.0,3365.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOptimism for the future, yes. Not for the system. Because I don't think these students - I don't think this younger generation - I don't think they have trust in the system themselves. So I think they are going to be the ones who actually tear down the system. They're going to be the ones that actually make something happen. I don't think we will have Constituent Boards with some of these students. Just thinking about the history of how Constituent Boards came into Charleston, I see these students tearing it down and starting. And also, I see them taking over the school board. Don't know how that's going to work - I'm here to listen - but I see them. I think within the next five years, we will have probably one of the youngest school board members be elected to the Charleston County School District. I can absolutely see that happen. But yeah, I have hope for the future, but not for the system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3365.0,3429.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause your words, this interview, is going to be available for many years to come, what is there that you would want to make sure that people hear from you about how you've directed your life's energies? You're kind of young to talk about a legacy, but in many ways, that's really what I'm asking. What is it that you want a student, or somebody, rather, 20 years from now, listening, to remember about this era that you've been so involved with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3429.0,3480.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThere was a lot of background work, a lot of background work. We were followed by the feds. We were followed by the police. We tore Charleston up. And we tore Charleston up knowing that we weren't going to see much of any change. But we did this for them to actually make the change. We won't see the change, we can't make the change, but the next generation will be able to make the change that needs to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3480.0,3519.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAs far as my legacy, like I said, I like to be on the backend, and I think some of the work that we did on the backend - a few of us did on the backend - kept a lot of us out of jail. It kept a lot of us out of jail. And that sustained a movement for a little bit, until things fell apart. I will say that not many things have changed now, but that's not saying that they can't. I don't know. It's hard to think about my legacy as a 33-year-old, still; with doing the work that I'm doing, I don't want people to know my name. [Laughter.] I never - I hate when people know my name. I just like to be back there knocking it out. Let the organization speak for itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3519.0,3588.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat do you see yourself doing? Where will you be? And I don't necessarily mean what job you will hold, but what does the future - where do these talents that you have been developing, where do you see that going for you? DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFor me, I see it going to my daughter who would continue that and be as loud and vocal as she wants to be. If she wants be out there in the streets with a bullhorn, I want to give her the keys and tools to do it. If she want to be on the backend pushing some type of legislation or doing whatever she needs to do, I want to be able to see she has every single tool and key needed to inspire herself and others around her to become a stronger activist. I'm breeding a little fire. I'm raising that fire, if she's going to do something. If she don't want to? By all means. But, I'm just saying. She’s...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3588.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFor me, I see it going to my daughter who would continue that and be as loud and vocal as she wants to be. If she wants be out there in the streets with a bullhorn, I want to give her the keys and tools to do it. If she want to be on the backend pushing some type of legislation or doing whatever she needs to do, I want to be able to see she has every single tool and key needed to inspire herself and others around her to become a stronger activist. I'm breeding a little fire. I'm raising that fire, if she's going to do something. If she don't want to? By all means. But, I'm just saying. She’s...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3612.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFor me, I see it going to my daughter who would continue that and be as loud and vocal as she wants to be. If she wants be out there in the streets with a bullhorn, I want to give her the keys and tools to do it. If she want to be on the backend pushing some type of legislation or doing whatever she needs to do, I want to be able to see she has every single tool and key needed to inspire herself and others around her to become a stronger activist. I'm breeding a little fire. I'm raising that fire, if she's going to do something. If she don't want to? By all means. But, I'm just saying. She’s... MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou see yourself replicating yourself, is what you're saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3612.0,3669.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOh, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. She's going to be proud of who she is. She's going to be proud of her people. When she was born, I said that to her every day. \"You are a strong Black woman. Always protect yourself and always protect your people.\" She's going to protect her people. She's going to absolutely be proud of who she is as a person, and she's going to be proud of her people. She's going to know her history. She's going to know her ancestry. She's going to know what Charleston is. She going to know this place that she was born into that she did not choose, but she will know and she will help try to fix it, I hope. I hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3669.0,3714.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThank you, Daron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3714.0,3716.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958/transcript/87840/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI think that's a wrap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164242/file/298958#t=3716.0,3719.5"}]}]}]}