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Can I have your name please?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=0.0,2.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nGavin McIntyre, G-A-V-I-N M-C-I-N-T-Y-R-E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. Delighted to have you with us today, Gavin. Tell us where you're from. What do you call home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=9.0,16.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nSacramento, California. I was born-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=16.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSacramento?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=19.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMm-hmm (affirmative). California. So, I was pretty much born and raised there. My dad is originally from the East Bay area in California, and my mom is originally from Richmond, Virginia, and they met in Sacramento. And so pretty much was born and raised there. I did, for time, live in Virginia, for a little bit. In fact, in Richmond and spent time there, but pretty much spent all my life in Northern California area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=20.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. All right. And tell us how you identify yourself, professionally or otherwise, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=46.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nSo full-time, I work as a staff photojournalist at the Post and Courier. And I guess, yeah, that's how I can usually say what I do. I take photos for a living, pretty much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=55.0,65.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay, okay. Tell us how long you've been in Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=65.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI've been in Charleston for about... Almost three years now, but I've been living in South Carolina for almost five to six years. I originally moved to Columbia, South Carolina for a job at the newspaper there, before getting hired here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=68.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. And for how many years were you in Columbia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=87.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nTwo... Two and a half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=94.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDid that allow you to get to know much of the state, or were you focused in just on Columbia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=96.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nNo, I actually got to explore a little bit, just because I was new. So I wanted to just go around the state and see what was around. So, I explored a lot of the Midlands area and just ventured out to see what was happening - went to hiking in Greenville, covered Hurricane Florence in the Pee Dee Ridge when it hit. I only went to Charleston once, though, before actually moving here. So before moving here, I didn't really come to this area often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=106.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd I have to ask the big question, okay? What drew you to that position? What drew you to Charleston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=138.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIt was an opportunity just to work on my skills as a photographer more. My old paper, I didn't like the situation, so I just moved to this paper because it was a better opportunity, and I had friends and a community here and I thought it'd be a good opportunity just to see what might be here and kind of see what would happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=147.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'll be very honest with you. The Post and Courier has a very interesting history in Charleston. It has been extremely conservative over time. It has loosened up a little bit, or whatever, but by comparison. I'm curious, how do you feel about the politics of the Post and Courier?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=174.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nWell, that was something that I wasn't aware of when I first moved here, but it's something that you can tell when people talk about the paper. Because I think something you notice is no one calls it the Post and Courier. They call it the Charleston Courier, which is evident and how you can tell if someone's from Charleston or not, if they call it the Charleston Courier. Because that's the papers old name, which is also goes back to when they're reporting during the '60s and even back to 1803 when we were founded, which, you know, we have a lot of... Because I've done research, well, stories and I've gone back into our old papers and I mean, you can see the auction ads and the runaway ads for enslaved people in our paper. So, that's something you become very aware of, you know, even just reporting stories for the paper. You're like, “Well, you couldn't report on their history.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=203.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd let me just say now - because I'm a native Charlestonian - you said “the Charleston Courier”; I still refer to it as the News and Courier. Yeah, another old, old name. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=262.0,273.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\n[Laughter.] Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=273.0,274.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm learning how to say Post and Courier now. So, you feel fairly well received at the newspaper?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=274.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=283.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat are some highlights so far of kinds of stories that you've covered?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=286.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI think, actually, that one thing that's been a highlight is, I've been able to work on stories that I like. I personally enjoy covering Black history and things related to the Black community. So I like delving into history, especially what's happened because I don't really know. So I'm just trying to learn myself, but I just worked on a project on an enslaved person from Senegal named Omar – or, essentially, me and a reporter basically retraced their steps, from where they ended up going ultimately back to Senegal and we traveled to Senegal for the paper. And then now I'm working basically on the opera version of it, because it's an opera for Spoleto this year, Omar. And so I'm currently working on that project. So that's probably been the biggest highlight of working for the paper so far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=293.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm looking forward to seeing the opera, for sure. GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMe too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=352.0,355.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMe too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=355.0,355.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMe too. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe've been waiting a long time. Yeah. That's interesting that you had a chance to actually delve into that story. It's being co-written with-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=355.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIt's Rhiannon Giddens and Michael Abels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=371.0,374.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. They are the creators of the opera, right? But I was saying the story that you've been doing, you're co-writing it with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=374.0,382.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nSo I worked on the first project where we traced Omar's life with another reporter at the paper general for Barry [Haws]. And now I'm working on the opera side of it with Adam Parker. So, I've been wanting to take it because I really enjoyed the story. So I was like, “I'll just work on it all,” because I really enjoyed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=382.0,406.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWell, Charleston is very caught up right now - and I don't say that negatively - but we're examining our lack of understanding and knowledge about African origins. And so this is very timely, that we're beginning to talk about what are African traditions that were brought here and what do we owe enslaved people. There's been a romanticizing about slavery entirely. And so those kinds of inquiries are going to be very much needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=406.0,447.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. And that was one thing that arose, like, during the reporting that I didn't know - the special thing with Omar is he wrote the only known autobiography we have by an enslaved person in Arabic. And something in school is like, they don't teach you about the fact that, I think, it was one out of five people brought from Africa were Muslim. And so that's a whole part of history we don't have. And so it's really cool to work on that and find out about this side of history, because there's a strong likelihood that someone that we know might, will have, like, a family member who were Muslim or came from that part of Africa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=447.0,492.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYeah. Absolutely. There's the religious aspect. And then there's also the idea of literacy, you know? Because we - and again, as a native Charlestonian - we certainly weren't ever taught that enslaved people had the intelligence or the skillset to have been literate and to have written a diary and that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=492.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nBecause I think when we talk about enslaved people, we kind of just have a broad description over them and you don't really think about who they were before. Omar was 37 when he was captured and taken here and the people who ended up owning him were 25. He's this educated scholar who had lived a life that they couldn't even think of, but he's just viewed in this very, just different view. 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I mean, what kinds of images have you picked up on about what goes on in our streets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=560.0,598.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess, in terms of activists or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=598.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=603.0,606.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess... I don't know. Kind of going back to history, you take it back to Denmark Vesey. I mean, I feel like that's something that I feel - I didn't know, once again, being new here - but I feel like referenced a lot, in terms of that history of resistance and engagement in Charleston. And then when I was in working at the newspaper in Columbia, I would go through our old archives and I came across the protest by the Black nurses in the '60s. And that was something I didn't realize happened. You don't really see that, you know? I'd never came across that before. And so I think that's always what I thought of Charleston. And then, yeah, just seeing those images and that history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=606.0,662.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd since coming again to the local paper - I guess I'm just trying to be a fly on the wall, you know - did anybody try to prepare you or give you some background about some of the more recent activities? You know that in 2015 we have the awful massacre at AME church. I mean, I'm just curious as to how someone comes into the area. And does anybody take the time to challenge you to get to know what has just happened right before you came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=662.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. That was probably the biggest difficulty, because I don't think people, unless you're with someone who will take that upon themselves. Most people don't really inform me. I knew what happened in 2015, but no one was just like, “Well, this is kind of the structure of it and this is what happened that summer.” Like, when I was working Columbia, I worked on a story where Dylan's sister was expelled or something for having a weapon. And that's when someone was talking to me about exactly what happened and we're basically reporting on the trial and then the shooting. I heard about it before moving to South Carolina, but no one's just like, “Here's what you need to know. Here's what... to be evident about around you.” About the issues, that's something I had to dig and find, myself, a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=703.0,761.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd we encourage you to, because right now we need everybody in the - “we”, meaning the whole community - we need people who don't just come fresh and don't have curiosity about what they're coming into, you know? And I'll get back to that a little bit later. But one of the things that - in addition to working on Omar - we understand that you've been doing some things outside of Peninsula Charleston. Can you talk with us a little bit about that work and its relevance to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=761.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI mean, I guess I always try and find stories that I want to work on. Because sometimes the stories I want to work on might not fit, or I might not get the freedom, because obviously it's for a newspaper and sometimes you might want to do this or do something different. And so one big one was working a story on Black cowboys in South Carolina, was a big one that really got me to explore the state and just once again, this side of history that people don't really like to talk about or reference, you know? We like to put the Black community in a very certain structure or visualization. People don't like to put us in nature or around animals and this whole side of history. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause we’re supposed to be “urban”.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=801.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause we’re supposed to be “urban”.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=852.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause we’re supposed to be “urban”. GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. We're supposed to be concrete, and all, these very certain idea that people have about our community. It's like the way to resist a narrative without it being necessarily to think people always, since you have to resist in this way, but there are other ways to go against narratives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=852.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. Let's explore that a little bit. You said you talked about the Black Cowboys. Give us a little bit more about that. I mean, where is it that you're doing your investigating? And tell us something about what you found.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=878.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nAnd so actually I just came across it. I was reading the Carolina Panorama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=888.0,894.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhich is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=894.0,895.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIt's a Black newspaper in the Midlands area. I like to go on there because like I said, sometimes newspapers have a particular view, and they miss out on, you know, the Black community. And so the Carolina Panorama is reporting exclusively on the Black community. It helps me - because I miss things - and so it helps me be more aware about the community. And so I just came across this small little event notice on their calendar about this festival. And then I called the founders of - I forgot the name of it, [sigh] I'm kicking myself because I can't remember the name of it - but basically I called them and I was like, \"Hey, I love to do a story on the festival. And also, do you know any other cowboys who would be interested in me basically photographing them and writing about them?\" And they gave me a list of, I think, 10 to 15 people and I pretty much drove around the state, taking their portraits and you know, just visiting and spending time with them, and then hanging out at their ranch before ultimately going to the festival then a little later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=895.0,973.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhere was the festival held?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=973.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nSellers, South Carolina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=974.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd give us, just for the record, Sellers is near...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=977.0,982.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess it's past Columbia. I always forget the name of the region that's in the Florence area where it's past the Midlands, but not the PeeDee, but it's-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=982.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOoh, I didn't know there was something in between. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=994.0,999.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nBut maybe that's because I'm new here. [Laughter.] So maybe it is just called the Midlands area and it's just that big, but it's just in that region, I think around the Florence area. It's a really just small community and it's a large ranch that they own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=999.0,1016.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWell, can you define “they” a little bit better? It's a Black Cowboy Association?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1016.0,1024.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIt's a Black Cowboy -  it's just this husband and wife who just own this ranch. It's not really association, but they're all connected. And so for the festival, lot of Cowboys from the Southeast will come for this weekend. And it's actually at the end of this month, is when the next one is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1024.0,1049.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou made a comment a minute ago about different kinds of resistance. And you kind of said that that's sort of what piqued your interest about the Black cowboys. Can you explore that a little bit more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1049.0,1065.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. Because I guess it's like going against, I think - as we were talking about - I think they view the Black community as something always in a city, always concrete, always in terms of everything else, there's a narrative that gets put forth or shown commonly about the Black community. And so this was a way to be like, “No. What you're showing, isn't the only version of us.” Going back to when people were brought or captured and taken over here at first, it was automatic - “They're from Africa, not like... They're from this country and they had this history. Believe this and they did this.” It's that same thing where it's like, I feel oftentimes there's a narrative put forth about our community. And so that's why I like to work on those stories that kind of like, “Well, no, what you're showing and describing is not all who we are.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1065.0,1134.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI challenge you a little bit because I think you're quite right about the fact that there's a stereotype about urban Blacks, but then now that you're in Charleston, I think you've picked up on the fact that we still have ties to our rural communities. There are lots of small towns, there are what are known as “settlement communities.” Have you had a chance to explore anything about that whole experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1134.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIn terms of, like, a Freedmen community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1169.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nFor sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1170.0,1171.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. I worked on a story involving the Phillips Community when they were doing-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1171.0,1180.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhich is in...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1180.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nMount Pleasant. And they’re wanting to expand Highway 41, I think that's the highway, but that's basically the road that goes through the Phillips Community, to five lanes and essentially just destroying the community. So that was, I think, one of the first times I started to interact with Freedmen communities. And I actually just finished working on a story on Bertha’s, which is in Union Heights, which is another, I guess, community settled by Freedmen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1181.0,1220.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat are some of the issues that you're unpacking, with - even if you're not done with all you're investigating yet - but what are some of the driving issues that you probably will be exploring with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1220.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI think the biggest one - and I think it is something that, I mean, Charleston has been doing for a while - that I... This is one of those things, again, where I had to find out and learn, is about all the development happening in the Black community, being the community that gets pushed out, you know, despite being here essentially their whole lives and generations of families, essentially being just like, “We can't afford it,” or “It’s just not feasible to live on the Peninsula.” It's something I've at least come across a lot in terms of working on the Peninsula.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1236.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat's your takeaway, though? I mean, you're an investigator - I mean, a reporter, photographer, whatever - however you combined that. You're working on learning a new community, but we're curious, you know, because for this project, so many of us have been around a while. And so I'm curious about what's it like when it's a new set of eyes? I mean, when you go out to whether it's Pawleys Island or Union Heights or Phillips Community, I mean, what is it that you're hearing from people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1291.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess one thing is anytime, and I think it took me a while to learn this, is just anytime I go into a new place or new community, it's always, I know nothing because it's not my community. I know about Sacramento, but when I moved here I know nothing about Charleston. So I always like to come with - basically thought like, “I just want to listen. I just want to hear what they're saying.” And so a lot of times it's just talking about the family and what it was like, it's like this, just a lot of exchanging stories. It's just like, “Oh, what was it like growing up here?”  - like, in Phillips Community, and describing the road and how the community remembers it. Not as this main highway, but it was just a simple road and people would like play on it and then just be calm. And then just going over essentially what it was at that time. And that's how, I found, at least a good way to learn about Charleston or just any kind of community is just talking to people like, “What was like growing up?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1335.0,1399.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThere's a ongoing - and I don't think this is unique to Charleston or South Carolina, but especially around here - there's an ongoing tension about how do we honor history, but then live in the 21st century. Do you have any sense of sort of a battle, when you talk to people about, “I remember when this was a dirt road.” I mean, we’re probably not going to go back to dirt roads anytime soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1399.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. I think it's something that's interesting about Charleston, obviously. There are reasons for this - why certain versions of history are maintained in Charleston, but some aren't. To my knowledge – like, I haven't seen it and maybe that's something I still need to find - but there's no real memorial or real, like, visual representation in Charleston to slavery, to our enslaved ancestors, at all. I mean, you have the houses, you have the wealth that's still remained, but you don't have something basically showing about how that wealth came about, how this city was basically built. There's not a lot of visual representation of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1437.0,1489.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nAlthough there is the statue of Denmark Vesey, but it's in a very secluded area in Hampton Park where if you're not really looking for it or just you walk, people walk by it all the time. I mean, they don't really stop and like, “Oh, what is that statue”. And then they'll look at it and can be like, “Okay, that's nice.” And just keep going. But there's no big, like... That statue's not in Marion Square, that statue's not at the Battery, that statue's, like, you know-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1489.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBehind God's back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1522.0,1523.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1523.0,1526.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd had an 18-year struggle even to get it built.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1526.0,1529.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. Yeah. And so it's just... Like, history is honored here, but there's a certain... It's the way it's decided is not necessarily how it should be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1529.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd what does that say to you? I mean, I'm not trying to put the whole responsibility on your shoulders, but do you think that you will have some impact in that, as far as the stories you uncover, the investigations that you do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1544.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nWell, that's what I always hope. I mean, you always hope when you work on a story, it has an impact and hope when someone sees their photos or read your story, you hope they come away with a new understanding of their community. So, working on stories like Omar or the Black cowboys, you’ll have people realize and see like, “Oh, I didn't know this,” the same way I’ll discover something new and like, “Wow.” Hopefully when someone sees that, they themselves will have that same kind of realization and maybe we'll take it forward. And maybe that will be the small ripples. Also just in terms of just working on those stories, shows that we care about the community that we're in and that we want to do stories that accurately represent not just one community, you know? We report on Charleston, and so that means a lot of different things, and that's a lot of different stories. None of them are good, and they shouldn't all be good, but I mean, that's just a part of our history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1566.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHow easy - or difficult, for that matter - has it been to immerse yourself in the community? I mean, you're a relatively young man. How do you find out about other folks that have similar - they may be working in a different career path, but how do you find people that care about the community and want to be doing things to uplift the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1628.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess just introducing myself, I guess that's how I usually find people through stories like, “Oh, my name's Gavin. I work for the paper and just have a conversation.” I'm kind of shy. That's a little weird, I guess, being a photojournalist because a lot of my job is introducing myself to people, so I'm a little bit shy. So sometimes it takes a little bit for me to be like, \"Hey, I do this. Oh, that's really interesting.\" Or always trying to at least remember where I meet people or who's doing, what, and who's doing this and hopefully it's like, oh, well, just going back, with story - I'm trying to think of an example, the connections that I made previously and then going back and reintroducing myself and be like, \"Hey, I didn't know you worked on this too. Do you want to connect?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1660.0,1719.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOne of the things with this project that we're doing, with you, is the fact that we're documenting lots of information about lots of the activities that have happened not in the long-ago history of the city, but in the relatively short-term history of the city. And so it is very likely that there are going to be people listening to this, you know, and hearing from this Gavin McIntyre who had a fairly influential role just by virtue of working for the local newspaper. You had an opportunity, if you will. So, if you were talking not to me, but to someone two years, three years from now, who's listening to your interview, what might you have to say about what you do or how you see Charleston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1719.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess what I say, what I do is tell stories about the community. And that means, you know, working with the community. I think that's still something new, I guess, maybe, in terms of newspapers. A lot of times you don't see, when you report on a story that you're working with, the people you report on; and that's not always can be done if it's a difficult story, but when those deeply personal stories, you're working with them, because you're talking with them, you're having a conversation with them, you're spending time with them. And that's not something that I just get, myself, it's something where we're having this conversation and discovering about our past and history and we're working together for this project. And so that's how I view, I guess storytelling – as, like, I'm trying to work with the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1794.0,1853.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nNot necessarily, I think there's this, at a point, and I think hopefully, you know, newspapers are getting away from that, but it was the idea of like, “I am the voice for this community.” That was something that was a big thing with reporting. But now I'm hoping as people meet me or people see my work, they realize, I'm not your voice. You have your own voice. And so us working together is kind of us telling a story together. You can tell your own story. I'm just working with you to maybe put it in the newspaper or do this and kind of like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1853.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDo you realize that that is really quite a profound redefinition about media? You're kind of saying that you serve our community's purposes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1897.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nBecause we are. I like to think of journalism as a public service. Like, it's not the community who owes me anything. It's like, I need to be very aware of what I do as a photojournalist, because our stories and our photos that we take are putting out into the public and I don't want to be part of that false narrative that in 20 years goes back and, like, this photo that you took had this damage. I don't want to hurt someone. I don't want to create a damage in my community. And so, I think, it's trying to work with people. And sometimes we will make mistakes, you know? We're not perfect. No one's ever perfect, so it's just, like, owning up to it. And I think that's something that needs to be talked about as well. When you do make a mistake, own up to it and then apologize and then work to fix that mistake that you made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1916.0,1979.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nIs there anything that you - if you had a wish list, you know... You're trying to have this positive impact on your community. What could people in Charleston do to make your life easier?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1979.0,1998.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nIt'd be nice if things were a little cheaper. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=1998.0,2006.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n[Laughter.] Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2006.0,2009.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI guess I've never really thought about what my life-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2009.0,2013.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBut I mean professionally, particularly-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2013.0,2015.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nOh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2015.0,2016.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYeah. Because again, you've I think very well summarized that there is this sort of tension sometimes between, especially, Black communities and the media. So, I'm just curious, how would we switch that, if we could switch that? What could happen to help folks trust media more? To use you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2016.0,2044.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nI think, honestly, it's just the media needs to be the ones to prove themselves that they've changed and that they've gotten better. They're not going to fall into that cycle of making the same mistakes in terms of way they report on the Black community. Because the Black community never did anything. You know, we didn't say, “This is how we want to be reported on. This is how we want to be viewed.” It's always been the media that's been writing about the community and sitting forth this narrative about. So it's more on me as a photojournalist, me as someone who works for a newspaper, to make that step and be like, \"Hey, I'm doing these stories. I'm working community.” Hopefully, that's seen and hopefully... Not saying it's going to all happen at once, because you can't fix hundreds of years of damage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2044.0,2103.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nAnd I've been here three years, I can't fix that, but hopefully people will see that and be like, \"Hey, I see the work you've been doing, and that means a lot.\" Or, \"Thank you.\" And just like I said, genuinely working in the community and working with people to hopefully fix that and change that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2103.0,2127.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe'll wrap it up now, Gavin, but I think one looming question I think I have is, what are some stories that you've given some thought to pursuing, based on even what we've been talking about today or other thoughts that you've had? What are some parts of this community that you just think you really want to delve into more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2127.0,2158.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nWell, I'm really interested in history in high school. I actually want to be a history professor. So that's always something that's I've been drawn to is just history and the Black community. So coming up, it's the 200th anniversary of Denmark Vesey. So that's a story that I'll be working on. And also just joy, I feel like is something that isn't shown a lot in the Black community. So those are always stories I try to show. I think that's one thing with, I guess, the media’s depiction of the Black community, it's always negative. It's always, like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2158.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n...downtrodden.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2200.0,2201.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nYeah. There is a lot of joy in our community, but it's not often shown. And so that's something that I try to find or be aware of or... Just show something simple. Like I said, doing a story on Bertha’s, that's something more... The news was like, this is just a great restaurant that's been here in that community. Why not just show what it means or show...that? It doesn't have to always be just like these downtrodden stories. So, I think those are two things I like to do now at least is, because I try not to always, in terms of working on stories about the community, always be like “Trauma, this, trauma, that,” this is going... I want to work on stories about happiness too. So, it's trying to find those kind of stories as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2201.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe'll count on you for that because I think as time goes on, we're going to find... Because this idea of balance about how Black communities, brown communities, whatever, are covered is very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2259.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GAVIN MCINTYRE\n\nAnd honestly, I always love hearing people's – you know, if you read a story and you don't like it, just... I like hearing from people, I do like your story, because that's why I get better as well. Because if I don't hear what's happening and sometimes that's just like having the conversation like this and just sitting down and talking about, you know, the stories we work on and the stories we see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2275.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974/transcript/87851/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou may get followed up on that. I mean, you said it on tape, so you may find it in the future. Folks are going to come to you with that. Because as you know, there are not many reporters or journalists of color at the newspaper. And while we have some white allies over there, for sure, who try to be very fair minded, I think we all know that we'd like to see more presence within the ranks who can offer that kind of balance for us. Yeah. Yeah. So we welcome you to the community and wish you luck and let's put our heads together and think about ways we can make that work. Okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164256/file/298974#t=2302.0,2362.0"}]}]}]}