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Calhoun pt. 2 - Edited Transcript.docx [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nDarren Lee Calhoun II, D-A-R-O-N, L-E-E, C-A-L-H-O-U-N, the Second. And this is part two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=0.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nGlad to be back, talking to you a little bit more about our project goals. And I know you've had a chance to think about things that you shared with us before, and now we're going to take that deeper dive that we talked about. How are you going to identify yourself, for the record, if you will? As, what your role was, and for what timeframe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=11.0,50.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI will identify myself during that timeframe as a background organizer. I made pieces move. So that was between December 2014, up until about July 2015.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=50.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nNow, that's a relatively short period of time, but it was obviously very busy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=69.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nVery busy. Impactful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=78.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nImpactful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=79.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=80.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhy don't you just begin to tell us about some of the... You know, why December, of that year? And let's just kind of have you share with us some of the highlights that you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=81.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nRight. So, at the end of November 2014, that's when I was actually driving back to Charleston from Detroit, right after Thanksgiving. That's when we found out that Darren Wilson was not going to be charged in Michael Brown's death. Over that next week, there was a lot of talks about having a protest, a solidarity protest, and march as Ferguson and other places across the country. And it came to fruition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=98.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe had a major march starting on the east side of Charleston, walking to Marion Square. CPD tried to manage the march by keeping us on the sidewalk, two by two. Got us to Marion Square, we sat there and talked and then they were just - we basically felt herded by CPD, standing out there. And it was just a lot of people, we were having talks. We had, I think Denzel Curnell's father was out there, or cousin or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=135.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhy don't you identify for us who Denzel Curnell was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=172.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nHe was murdered by CPD on the east side of Charleston, over the summer. And so there was a lot of organizing - not really organizing, but there was a lot of public demonstrations about the lack of transparency in his case. And, thinking about it, this was right around - I think this was right before Michael Brown was killed. Which, he was killed in August, but this was happening in our city. But it didn't catch the traction because, there was a lot of questions around the circumstances around the death. And it kind of just fizzled out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=176.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut this was the summer that a lot of people was calling the summer of death for Black people, that we just start seeing over and over again. Young Black men were being killed by police over and over again, and when Mike Brown hit, it just blew up. And we saw Ferguson blow up, we saw Baltimore blow up. We saw plenty of places start to just really have these major demonstrations about the meaning of Black lives, and the beginning of Black Lives Matter happening during that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=209.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo, when we start thinking about that march that we did, when we were all standing there, we were standing by the Calhoun statue. And the group was like, \"We need to take King Street.\" And we all just looked at each other like, \"Let's do it.\" We had about, it felt like, over a thousand people inside of Marion Square. And we were like, \"Let's just take King Street.\" And we did. The police was like, \"No, you got to stay here. You got to stay here.\" We just went on through. And knowing what King Street was like - it was so many people out there, tourists - and they just saw a major crowd of Black Lives Matter activists and protestors, and people and the like, just marching on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=237.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe were called, you know “rabble-rousers”, and we had white folk yelling at us from the sidewalk. I remember we were walking past John Mellow Mushroom, and I was with John Hill at the time. And he almost got into a fight with a guy, as we were walking past Mellow Mushroom. So we took King Street, made that left onto Market Street, and went down to the Customs Building. They hated it, at the market. They hated it at the market.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=279.0,306.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nCPD couldn't do anything about it though, because we had so many people there. And so I left, after they went to the Customs Building, but then I believe they ended up marching over to the Four Corners of Justice, after that. But that was the beginning of Black Lives Matter Charleston. I think that next week we actually had an organizational meeting at the ILA, to actually formally organize Black Lives Matter Charleston. And that's where my official organizing with Black Lives Matter Charleston began.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=306.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBefore we go on to that, can you be more specific about the taking of King Street? It sounds like it was an impromptu kind of move?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=337.0,350.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nVery impromptu. We were... One of the things that I brought up while we were standing there was that, \"We're standing right in front of the bars and stripes. We're standing right in front of the Calhoun statue, talking about liberation and getting justice, but we're never going to get that here.\" We had police standing around us basically, on Meeting Street, Calhoun Street and King Street, just looking at us to make sure nothing got out of hand. And so, we were like, \"Why are we doing this? Why do we have to walk on the street? Follow the lights, two by two,\" coming from, I guess what is now Philip Simmons Park over there, on the east side. \"Why are we listening to them? When we are taxpaying citizens - these are our streets.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=350.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo it had to be about a group of 10 to 15 people just standing there, we were like, \"Let's just take King Street, let's keep the march going.\" And when we say “take King Street,” it was very... I hate to keep using the word “impactful”, because it was - the history of it, you know? Them keeping us in line, the history of the Charleston Movement, that was on King Street, and whatnot. \"Let's go ahead and just let's do it again.\" And then also we knew that if we’d just stayed inside of Marion Square, it would just be us talking to the choir, preaching to the choir. \"Let's make people mad, let's disrupt some things, and then they will really listen to us.\" And Riley, at the time, didn't like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=397.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe police chief at the time was Diggers, Ed Diggers [Ed Driggers], I think his name was. The police chief. Not Duggers, or something like that. He hated it. So when we took it, I mean, we messed with the tourists. We messed with the good white folk, who'd never want to see anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=439.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDefine what you mean by \"messed with.\" Was there any physical contact?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=455.0,461.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo, we just disrupted their vacation. Because they come – I mean, we said it within our disparities report: Charleston is the Confederate Disneyland - so a lot of the people who come here inside of a tourist capacity, they come here to see what the old stuff was like, when Black people were in their place. And now you have a bunch of Black folks going down King Street, yelling for justice. And that's not what they came here for, so they were yelling at us. I'm sure there were people who were yelling back. I don't believe any fight broke out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=461.0,491.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI don't think any fight broke out, but they were definitely... Somebody got a coffee threw on them, that's when we were going down, we just passed the H \u0026 L. I guess that would be... Not Liberty Street. Yeah. No. Yeah, Liberty Street, I believe that is. Somebody had a coffee threw on them. So, there could have been fights. We didn't do anything, but we definitely antagonized them. Well, not “antagonize”. We definitely made them upset. Like I said, we were disrupting their vacation, after they got a chance to see the locals of Charleston that they did not want to see, when they got here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=491.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nGo on then, to the fact that, this disruption obviously got the attention of others. Was it ever publicized in the paper?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=531.0,546.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYes. There was an article the next day in the Post and Courier about it. Charleston City Paper wrote a great write-up about it. The one in the Post and Courier didn't talk to anybody. Didn't talk to any of us. I mean, they grabbed certain people from out of the crowd to talk to them, and labeled them as a leader within the movement. That was like, \"All right. No, they weren't. They weren't even part of organizing the initial march from the east side to Marion Square, where they didn't do their due diligence. They just went out and grabbed things. The City Paper article is a lot, I would say, a lot better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=546.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBut all of this then led up to the meeting at the ILA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=591.0,596.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYes, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=596.0,598.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhere, you say it becomes more formalized. DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=598.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=601.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nCan we talk about that, then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=601.0,604.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI met up with Moya, over that next week. And, you know at that point, we had about... The two main people I was in contact with were Akua and Muhiyidin. They were, I would call, the two founders of Black Lives Matter Charleston. And then when we formalized it, they were the two that were there, particularly Akua, who pushed us actually coming up, Black Lives Matter CHS. It was at that meeting that we said, \"Okay, this is what it is.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=604.0,634.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNow, after every major movement, when we have a major demonstration, we had a lot of people there. There was over 30 people there. But then nothing really was happening. So what we started thinking about - the end of December, going into the holidays, we lost that momentum. Going into January, nothing was happening. February, nothing was happening. So we went from this major group, to a very condensed, about 10, 15 people, if that, meeting once every couple weeks, once a month or so. Actually, yeah, every couple weeks. And like I said, there wasn't really much happening - we were going back and forth with each other, but it wasn't until Walter Scott happened – oh, until Walter Scott was murdered, that things really picked up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=634.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=684.0,686.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOoh. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=686.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause I do believe that a lot of folks think that the energy starts with Walter Scott's murder. And so you're saying, that there were already people in place when the murder occurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=688.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat's how it got so big, because people within the community knew who to call, to try to make things happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=701.0,712.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe day that Walter Scott was killed, when he was murdered by Michael Slager, I was living in North Charleston at the time. And I actually kind of remember hearing police cars going down the street, or whatever. But then, I believe Feidin called Muhiyidin - because we had that energy within the community. People knew who to call, as a leader, or as a person who's out there, who’d go \"What do I do with this footage?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=712.0,749.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI found out about the video of Walter Scott being killed Sunday morning, maybe Sunday afternoon, or something like that. After they turned that video... Or, I wasn't there, when they turned the video over, I saw screenshots of it. I believe it was Moya who took screenshots of the video, and sent it to a couple of us. And I was like, \"This is about to blow up.\" So the first thing that I did, like I said, being that background person. I went downtown to the Post and Courier and grabbed those papers from the past couple of days - how they’d have the machines outside - I grabbed the papers from April 4th, 5th, 6th, those three days, because I was like, \"We're going to show the progression, how they treated this case.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=749.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd you could start seeing how it went from a small thing, like there was an officer involved shooting, with a man going after a police officer's gun or whatever. The next day you go, on that Sunday, there was that big spread of, the officer said, basically saying he had nothing he can do. He had to shoot him. But then Monday, when they start hearing rumblings that there was a tape out there. That's when you start seeing the entire transition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=792.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd by that point, we are already thinking, we were already going out to North Charleston City Hall. And saying like, \"All right, y'all going to, this is going to blow. And y'all going to see it.\" So we were already had people out at City Hall, waiting for everything to blow, because we knew that video was going to drop. Because we gave it, they gave it to SLED, and they gave it to the FBI, I want to say, too. But yeah, when that video was going to drop, we knew something big was about to happen. So we were already organizing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=815.0,844.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWalk us through the steps of the video, and we will certainly have the version from... DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFeidin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=844.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFeidin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=851.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFeidin? MILLICENT BROWN\n\nFeidin. But how do you recall it happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=851.0,857.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI recall, it had to be that Sunday, Moya got a call. He told us he was going to meet with some folk about the shooting. Now there was a group of people, I didn't make it over there to the park, after it happened. I know Brandon was probably at the park, Akua was at the park, Moya was at the park. They were already out there, and they knew something happened about that. Well, that something fishy was going on with it. I didn't make it up there. I found out about everything on that Sunday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=857.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI found out... well, they told me that there was a video, and it was a damning video. They didn't know where they were going to send it, when they got a lawyer, and that lawyer sent it to SLED, because they didn't want to break the chain of command, or the chain of evidence or whatnot. And they didn't want to, basically hurt, whatever could happen with it. So, they directly gave it to SLED.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=888.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut like I said, I saw those screenshots that Sunday. And when I saw those screenshots, that's when I knew like, \"All right, this is about to be big.\" And I believe it was that Sunday evening, was the first night, I was out at City Hall. And then we knew, I knew every day after work, I was going to have to be over at City Hall. So, by the time that Monday, I went to work - I was still working at the Avery - I left, I guess Monday would be the 6th? Monday was the 6th. We were all up at City Hall. The only person who had a Black Lives Matter shirt on at that time was, was Muhiyidin. And he was talking, but then we started gaining people every day, as a story came out more and more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=913.0,959.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat Tuesday, actually April 7th, was my birthday. That was the day it was released. I was, just left Burke, I had a outreach assignment over at Burke that day. I was headed up to City Hall. I helped somebody fix their tire on 26. And got up to - I finally got up to - City Hall, and that's when we knew that the video dropped. We had probably about a hundred people out there, it was a lot of people, but that was the day that Fox News said I was going to blow up Charleston. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=959.0,998.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut yeah, it released on my birthday, and there's a quote inside of the Post and Courier with Erica and I. I was talking at the time, Erica was sitting next to me, and we were talking about how we're going to get justice by any means necessary. We knew that he killed this man. We knew that he murdered him, but then the organizing just ramped up from there. I think over the next few weeks, we had direct actions. We had a lot of direct actions going on. And at that point, we knew we were going to have a lot of outside “allies” - outside infiltrators - coming to the Black Lives Matter Charleston. And they definitely came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=998.0,1038.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHelp us understand why Akua thought it important to call it “Black Lives Matter Charleston”. Tell us about what is an obvious distinction, being made with the national Black Lives group and Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1038.0,1057.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBecause nothing - the organizing and the issues are the same, but the organizing and activism is different, than National. So, we could just been Black Lives Matter, but we knew, in order for us to be distinct, with knowing the history and knowing the people down here, we had to distinguish it to Charleston. And you'll see it written two ways, Black Lives Matter Charleston, spelled completely out. But then after a certain period, I want to say it was May or June of that year, it went Black Lives Matter CHS. But it was definitely... We have a very distinct way of doing things down here, and we had to distinguish ourself in that Black Lives Matter, from the national group. However, that became a problem, later on throughout the timeline. [Laughter.] MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's talk about that a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1057.0,1116.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's talk about that a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1116.0,1116.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's talk about that a little bit. DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1116.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nNot so much just the problem, but I'm just trying to get you to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1121.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah. Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1124.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHelp us understand what the local organizing effort looks like. How are you calling those people to City Hall? What's the communications channel that you're using?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1126.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nRight. We had a few different communication methods. Mainly, we had a Facebook page, which was a memorial page to Walter Scott. That was the public-facing group. But then on the backend, the week after Walter Scott was killed, because we knew we were doing more direct actions and protests and whatnot. We created, actually I created, the Black Lives Matter private Facebook group, which was the backend, where only key organizers had access to and could see; it was a private group on Facebook. So with that, when I created that, we took the lists from the people who were at the organizing meeting at the ILA Hall and said, \"Okay, if you want to be on this backend page, let us know and we'll add you into it.\" So I had a group of like 19 people that we just added to that backend group, because that front-facing group had over a thousand people in it. So, we couldn't get anything done in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1140.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd of course, the Feds were watching it, so we couldn't get anything done there. So we made the backend group. We called, we discussed having a meeting, and said, \"All right, let's go ahead and put that on the main group. We're meeting at the ILA Hall at 5:30,\" on this day, this day. And then we would do our public organizing out there. Like, \"Okay, what do y'all want to say as a message for this? Who wants to say about this? What do you want say about this?\" But then we'll go back to that backend group and say, \"All right, no. This person's a fit. All right, we need to be careful with this. All right, we're going to do a direct action over here. We're going to shut down Tanger today. We're going to shut down Remount Road, this day.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1200.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe did all that on that backend group. And then... Oh, I forgot about the conference call lines, like Uber Call. We had a lot of conference calls. I mean, just thinking about it today, when we have... Anybody could just hop on Zoom. We had Uber Calls, and you had to dial in on a conference call line, or whatnot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1237.0,1257.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut, getting back to the national group. We had, this was late May or early June. We had a big argument about whether we should align ourselves with the national group's ideologies, which were, \"We're fighting for all Black lives. That means trans people, LGBTQ+ folk, non-binary, we are fighting for all Black lives.” And, you know, this was a group started by - this was a slogan and a term in a group founded by - queer Black women. And queer Black people. Yet, we had some very misogynistic, homophobic people within our organization who did not want to align with that. They felt as if men should be leading in this organization, they felt as if, \"No, we're not doing anything for that feminization of the Black male,\" this, that, this, that. It was so much crap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1257.0,1322.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo to keep it, I was about to say keep it above, but to be honest, it was Shakem, it was Omar. It was Damont, who later went off to found an RBG group down here, but they did not feel as if we needed to be fighting for all Black people. And it would look bad upon us, because we were feminizing the Black male, and we were emasculating the Black male, because we have a queer Black woman trying to lead the group, or whatnot, or coming up with different things. So that gets onto, goes on later, to where we actually imploded. But they didn't, some of them did not want to align with the national organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1322.0,1366.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDo you mind telling us where these voices are coming from? Are these local people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1366.0,1372.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nLocal, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1372.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHad you known them before, or did they just show up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1375.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThey showed up around when Walter Scott was killed. So like I said, we didn't have a lot of traction between January, February and March, but the night that... Once the video, not even going to say when, we were just out there and was only 15 of us out of front of the City Hall, the North Charleston City Hall, they weren't out there at that point. But when that video dropped, and all the national media was coming down here, then all these people from the community came as well. Everybody came, everybody was an activist at that point. Everybody saw all those cameras, and they wanted to be in front of that camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1378.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThat must have been very frustrating for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1412.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIt was absolutely frustrating because we said, \"All right, great. We want to bring as many people on as we can. We need to bring as many people on as we can, it's perfect.\" But you know, with that, with that call came a lot of people who were provocateurs - a lot of people who were just there to tear things up. I think Shakem was one of those people. He was just there to toss a bomb, and then run.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1414.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd he was honestly... I'm not going to discount any of the work that he did within the organization, but he really was just there to mess things up. I think that's... Damont and Omar, they're from the community, they're from Liberty Hill, they're born and raised up there. They've seen these things happen over and over again. So their voices were very necessary. But then they also brought a very... They brought a voice, that old patriarchal thing, that nobody needed at the time. They couldn't see we all had the same goal, but the way that... I didn't want to organize with anything that they were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1439.0,1480.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWhen we had our direct actions some, some people were scared of getting arrested, because they can get fired from their jobs. It was like, \"Okay, exactly. That's what you need to do.\" We shut down... That's a very important story too, when we shut down the streets going to the North Charleston City Hall, and we shut down the street to Remount, that was a very important day. We had elders coming, trying to counter our... They knew what was happening. And we organized that thing the night before and said, \"Okay, we're going to be here at this time, at like 6:13, we're going to hit at 7:13,\" or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1480.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd then, we get notices on our phone that the Post and Courier - at like 6:20 - like, \"Caution, there's going to be a protest downtown.\" We was like, \"Who told...?” That's the day we found out we had a mole. Like, \"How did they know about that?\" But then, some folk didn't want to come out there. But then that night, when we were at City Hall, they want to go, \"Well, we did this, we did that.\" You didn't do anything. You weren't there. I got the video; you weren't there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1522.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat was the plan for that protest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1550.0,1556.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe had some national BLM folk come down, and we had some direct action training. I think it was like DeRay, it was Ash-Lee Henderson, who runs the... Not Penn Center. She runs Highlander School now, or Highlander Center, now. We had a couple of folk out of New York. They came down, we just had some direct action training. We were like, \"Okay, we need to shut some things down.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1556.0,1582.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe picked a few targets, one was the road leading to the City Hall. The other was Remount Road, across the street from where Walter Scott was killed - during rush hour, which was important as well. The other was Tanger, and the last one was Boeing. We were going to shut down the street going to Boeing. The rationale was, \"All right, we're going to hit them during the crazy time, during rush hour. With the city government, we're going to hit them with their money and we're going to hit them with their industry.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1582.0,1610.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe had four things with it. The last two didn't happen, at that time. Boeing didn't happen at that time, and Tanger didn't happen because we were too short-staffed with it, but we were going to hit them at different times of the day, all day. So the first one we were going to hit was when people were coming to work, to go to City Hall. That was that morning. Like I said, we all met up at that diner that's across the street from City Hall. And around 6:30 or so, we got that notice that Post and Courier put out saying, \"Be careful,\" something was happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1610.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOne, we have a mole. Somebody's leaking things. We know that, because we had a big organizing meeting the night before at that club on Dorchester Road. Like, \"Something's happening here.\" We still did it, but it didn't have the effect that it was supposed to have, because somebody tipped it off. But they did not know, when we did the Remount, when we planned the Remount, the person that we found out was the mole? She wasn't there. She wasn't there when we planned Remount. So, the North Charleston Police Department had no idea that the Remount Road shutdown was going to happen. So we shut down Remount, and that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1647.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDescribe, \"shutting down,\" Remount.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1682.0,1687.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe blocked the street, we blocked the street. And when we think about Remount Road, we have a lot of industry going back that way towards not Clement's Ferry. What's the name of that street, where the trains are and everything? There are a lot of major trucks going back and forth that way. It's going to come to me in a second. But with Medevac, and the paper mill going back that way, and they use Remount Road as a cut-through, to get to 26. So we knew, we shut down Remount Road, it's going to piss some of you off. And that's what we wanted to do, because Summey wasn't listening to us at, at this point. Summey would...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1687.0,1719.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nIdentify Summey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1719.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nMayor Keith Summey, who's been the mayor of North Charleston since North Charleston has been there. He was not listening to us. We were asking for a meeting with council, we were asking for a meeting with the mayor. We were asking for transparency in the process. And this is before we even came out with our demands. Our demands, we knew he wasn't listening to us, so we said the way that he will listen to us, if we disrupt the industry, we disrupt the traffic, we disrupt the tourism money, and then the government. So that's why we planned those four shutdowns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1726.0,1762.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe shut down Remount Road. We blocked the street, only for like five minutes at a time. We said, \"All right, we're going to get in and get out.\" And after the Remount Road shut down, we all met at the park, down the street on Remount. Medevac Park, or something like that? West Medevac Park. That's when we first found out we had police tails. North Charleston dispatched, because they didn't know about that one, so they needed to find out where we were going to be next. We all had police tails. Mine was a redheaded guy driving a silver truck, and followed me all around North Charleston. We got to the park, and you saw all these silver trucks lined up over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1762.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd we looked like, \"Hey guys, that's the police. They're following us right now.\" I got in my car, drove around, made a couple turns. And I was on the phone with my then-girlfriend, and I was like, \"Yeah, the police is following me.\" And she said, \"Well, call the police.\" I was like, \"Why the hell would I call the police? The police are following me right now.\" [Laughter.] And we got into it, and that was the beginning of the end of our relationship. But we knew at that point, \"All right, they're going to be watching. So we really have to be tight in our organizing, and find out who's going to be on the backend, who's going to be on the front end. What are they going to see? What the public's going to see, and what are we going to allow them to see?\" You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1800.0,1849.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd that went on for a couple weeks, and went on strong, for a couple weeks. Direct actions. And then we had allies doing their direct actions at that time. I'm not going to say it was SONG, Southerners On New Ground, but people who were affiliated with SONG started their Black Brunches, where they would go downtown during popular brunch times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1849.0,1868.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat does SONG stand for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1868.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSoutherners On New Ground. They're an organization, LGBTQ+ organization, mainly at the College of Charleston, but a lot of community focus as well. And our allies there, they would go into these different restaurants downtown, where a lot of tourists would be. And then they would just stand in the middle of the restaurant, wearing all black and then just list out all the people who were killed by the police. And then leave out, before police could get there. So they were doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1869.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe also had, during that time, again allies that we had with SONG, who shut down the bridge, who shut down Glenn, the McConnell, not McConnell. The... Keep getting the Glenn McConnell, in my head. Just the bridge name, I want to say Cooper River bridge, but it's not the Cooper River Bridge. Yeah, they shut down the bridge. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI still call it the Cooper River Bridge. I'm sorry, I can't help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1900.0,1931.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI still call it the Cooper River Bridge. I'm sorry, I can't help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1931.0,1931.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI still call it the Cooper River Bridge. I'm sorry, I can't help you. DARON L. CALHOUN\n\n[Laughter.] It starts with an L, but it's... I want to say Cooper Bridge. They shut down the Cooper River bridge, and they end up getting arrested for that. But then, that same night they got arrested, we were all out in front of Leeds, in front of the jail on Leeds Avenue. And we had a little circle for them, and left out; they were bailed out the next day. But like I said, it gets back to the hypocrisy and the contradictions of some of the people within our organization, where you just had our allies take this big action, for Black lives. And then the very next week, you're talking about how we don't need to be led by queer folk inside of our organization because, \"It effeminates the Black man.\" Absolutely stupid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1931.0,1971.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut then, on the very next Brunch saying, \"No, we love them. We appreciate them, and everything that they do. They just can't lead our movement.\" We had a very pivotal activist organizer within our group leave, because of that mess. We had some major meetings, in person meetings, that got very heated. Got very, very heated. Some tools were pulled, and people were asked to leave. Hands may have, or may have not, been thrown, over where we were going as an organization. It got to one point where - because our communication was horrible, even within the backend - communication was absolutely horrible. The transparency was absolutely horrible. We didn't know who was for what, we didn't know whose intentions were for what, who wanted to just be on camera? Who was the Feds? Who weren't the Feds? Our communication was absolutely horrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=1971.0,2033.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut that led to now, people leaving. Very key organizers leaving. That led to the creation of other groups that, like I said, the Red, Black and Green party that Shakem and Omar and Damont founded, to break away from Black Lives Matter. That led to people claiming that they were going to found Black Lives Matter, North Charleston. Never went anywhere, because they didn't... The question was, \"If you want to lead something, everybody here could step back, and you could take this one that's already established, and lead this one.\" But they said, \"No, because y'all going to try to go with this whole ideology that we ain't trying to live, move. And y'all are not even part of this community, I live here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2033.0,2085.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSo they founded their own Black Lives Matter, North Charleston. It never took off, and they didn't do anything. So then they founded the RBG party. And then they founded something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2085.0,2095.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThere's a mention in the record, about the New Black Panther Party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2095.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYes. New Black Panther.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2100.0,2104.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWas this a set of allies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2104.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo. After Walter Scott happened, we had a lot of organizations, a lot of people from other places come down to Charleston. And when the news come, these “allies” come. New Black Panther Party, we had, I think he was called the Black... It wasn't the Black Legal Defense Fund, but we had someone, this lawyer who came down, who claimed that he was a lawyer - I don't even think he was a lawyer. We got a lot of the Ferguson activists come down. That was big, because that started the cop watch that we had. We had national Black Lives Matter come down. We had a lot of people from Baltimore come down. But like I said, you never knew who was who.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2106.0,2159.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nLike this one time, and I'm going to get back to the New Black Panther Party here, in a second. But it was one time there was this guy who was claimed to be the president or the leader of the Black Lives Matter national organization, the Jam Master J, that's what he called himself. And they started a march in Mount Pleasant. And they did the little bridge unity march, and he got to the bridge and said, \"There isn't one Black Lives Matter...\" Pulled off his shirt, he was sitting and threw it down on the ground. Like, \"All lives matter, this is all lives, we here to protect all lives.\" And we saw it and we were like, that's on the backend, we were like, \"Wow.\" And he was standing next to a woman who we knew was the mole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2159.0,2198.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd we was like, \"Wow, that's who the mole was.\" And that's who, we had to... They basically came to disrupt whatever we were doing, at that time. But yeah, we had a lot of people coming to Charleston, a lot of news media came into Charleston. Like I said, Fox News said I was going to blow up Charleston, when I said that we were going to get justice by any means necessary. Because they were asking about, \"Are we going to have the disruption like Ferguson or Baltimore,\" or whatever. I was like, \"No, we're going to get justice by any means necessary.\" And they went and ran that I was going to blow up Charleston if we didn't get  - if Michael Slager wasn't arrested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2198.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe New Black Panther Party, they came down, and they came down with Umar Johnson. They came down with Umar Johnson. They came down with a lot of other... It was not the New Nation of Islam. There was another Islamic organization, came out. It wasn't the Five-Percenters because once somebody who was actually a Five-Percenter down here, ended up checking one of them and finding out, \"You don't know the math, why are you claiming to be a Five-Percenter?\" But he's like, \"Oh no, I'm not a Five-Percenter. I'm another Islamic thing,\" this and that. So we had a lot of people just coming in, and we had to try to decipher who was who. \"Could you help us? Are you really just trying to distract, are you just trying to get this camera?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2239.0,2284.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI mean, even thinking about the elder groups, they're bringing in Al Sharpton. Every other week, he would fly in, hop out of his limo. Take a picture, hop back in his limo, and leave. We hated it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2284.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet's talk about that a little bit. Because it's obvious that, like in any movement, there is going to be this kind of mix-up. And this doubting of who's legitimate, and who's not. But locally, what's happening with established organizations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2295.0,2316.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThey resented Black Lives Matter Charleston. There was a news article where you had Kwadjo Campbell and James Johnson, Doss Scott. They didn't interview anybody from Black Lives Matter Charleston. But they were saying how, \"The demands of Black Lives Matter Charleston were taken out of hand. That's not what they meant,\" and this and that. And they were speaking for us. We were like, \"We ain't talked to none of y'all. Stop speaking for us.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2316.0,2344.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd, you know, they would, they constantly, what we call elders within the movement - they constantly went against us, and they never had a conversation. The only person I can remember who actually came in and talked to us was Thomas Dixon. But then at the same time, Thomas Dixon will go back over to their group, and then say something completely different. And so that's where our frustration with him started coming in. Because like, stop saying this to our face and then going over there and doing something completely different. Love you. It took me a while to love that guy Dixon. But we were going at it, back at that time. Because they would try to call a march to Tanger, or something like that, at the same time we were having direct actions. Like, they knew, because they would know that we were going to do these things. And it was like, \"No, we're not going to do this. We're not going to do this. We're not going to do this.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2344.0,2392.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut then they would call a march at the same exact time, to take away all those people that we could have had at those actions, take half of them away. When we would call a press conference, they would call a press conference somewhere else. It's like, \"Stop doing that.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2392.0,2405.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWas there any effort made on your side of the issue, to communicate with these groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2405.0,2413.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah, yeah. Like I said, Dixon was supposed to be the bridge. He was supposed to be the bridge, but then also you had people like Kwadjo and Johnson and some of these old... They didn't want to hear what we had to say. They just said we were doing it wrong. We shouldn't be demanding things. When we put out our list of demands? “We shouldn't be demanding things. That's not the way things work.” And we come back and say, \"Well, the way y'all been trying to do it, ain't worked all this all these years. So let's try a different strategy.\" But they weren't hearing that. They wanted to fly in Al Sharpton to lead a march, and... \"Get out of here. We don't want him here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2413.0,2454.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHow does that get resolved? Because time is going on, the national attention around Michael Slager is obviously there. How does all of that frustration that you've been talking about, either settle down or get resolved?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2454.0,2471.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIt never got resolved. It never got resolved, because we would go do something when the thing was, people at the Post and Courier, and so they found out. You had good writers over there, like Paul Bowers. He would go write something and be like, \"All right, let me go talk directly to people.\" That's how I got really cool with Paul, and found out he was actually on the education beat. But other... I think her name was McKayla, or David, or something like that. People like that. They had their contacts already, and they knew they could get a soundbite. So they would never reach out to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2471.0,2508.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nLike, we were out there. You could see us out there at City Hall all the time. “Come ask us, you don't see them up here talking. Come talk to the people who are actually talking. Come see down and see the people who actually sign the fuck up to register to vote, come see who were out here, handing out flyers. Or doing this, or doing that.” But the media did not want to do that. The people who were, those elders, they didn't want to do that. They just wanted that camera. They wanted that camera time, because they can... What usually happens in Charleston, they'll call a press conference. There'll be four or five people back there, with that podium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2508.0,2542.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nLike, \"We're calling for the resignation of this,\" and be four people out there. Like, \"Go sit down. Nobody's going to take you serious with that.\" But they saw that us, a small group, have national coverage. Then they wanted that national coverage. But they didn't understand how they've been doing this all this time, and they never had this much attention like we got, within a couple months. So I would say it was definitely envy. But one, I don't believe it was ever resolved. There are a couple of them I don't talk to until this day, just because of... They also were real messy with who they talked to and how they talked about people. And then, they didn't think it was going to get back to you. So it was like, \"Oh, okay.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2542.0,2585.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat's why, at Moya's funeral, I was so upset seeing a lot of those people there, talking about how great of an organizer and great of a man he was and this and that and this and that. I was like, \"Y'all weren't saying that when he was alive. Y'all hated the way he did things.\" I hated the way he did some of the things. But the thing was, I could sit there and talk to him, and we can go back and forth and be mad at each other back and forth, whatever. But they were...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2585.0,2611.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOver strategy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2611.0,2612.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nOver strategy, or how you do it. With them, they would just talk about, they’d discredit people. They'd say this about me, they'd say this about Claire, they'll say this about Akua, Jamie or all these other fools. And they didn't think it was going to get back to us. We hear everything. Just like y'all think y'all got people everywhere, we got people everywhere too. So yeah, that was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2612.0,2635.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo what other events, then, come to your mind as being particularly important to document, after this obvious tension is existing in the city? DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2635.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2655.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou and your colleagues are not stopping. DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2655.0,2659.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2659.0,2659.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou're continuing to organize, even if the other local groups aren't necessarily joining with you. Right? DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nRight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2659.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nRight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2667.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nRight. MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo where do you go from there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2667.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe had an organizational meeting on May 5th, which was a great meeting. We had a lot of people there, it was like 30-some-odd people there. And we talked about the history of Black Lives Matter, local. We talked about the history of Black Lives Matter, national. We talked about different alignments, different strategies, and ended on a soundless chant. That was a great meeting, but that very next week we had a Mother's Day action at Tanger, that week after that. I think that was important, because we... That's when we first start to implode.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2670.0,2704.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe started seeing what I was just talking about, with the homophobia and back and forth. Claire ended up leaving the group. The very next major event, I would say happened, June 10th. We had another meeting. That's when Jamie Santiago, I want to say her last... That wasn't her last name at that point, but that's her name now. Jamie got into it with Shakem, as well as with Moya. Shamika got into it with some people, and then they were really harkening down on, \"Y'all are just a whole bunch of men calling the shots, and the women have been the ones really holding this thing down.\" I was like, \"You're right. You're right.\" I mean, there was no transparency, really bad communication, but you started seeing, you saw it flip the very next week. The day Mother Emanuel happened, on June 17th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2704.0,2759.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat changes then, as a result of the Emanuel massacre?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2759.0,2765.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAll of us got back together like we weren't fighting, over the last three weeks. I got a text from Moya about the shooting, and told me to come downtown. But...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2765.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nI got a text from Moya about the shooting. I went into the backend Facebook group like, \"I just saw the news, who's downtown? Let's figure out what's going on.\" I got downtown, parked my car in the middle of Meeting Street. Moya was actually inside the hotel, talking with the families and whatnot. And I got to Calhoun Street, and seen a lot of the Black Lives Matter organizers that was out there. They had a prayer circle going on, at one spot. We saw the police chief and Riley come out, but we all got together, like we weren’t arguing, like we weren't just arguing and basically imploding, over the last three weeks. We just got to work, trying to direct people to where things were. Looking for Dylann Roof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2780.0,2825.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nSome guy got beat up really bad out there, because he fit the description. There were folk out there looking throughout the neighborhoods for this guy. And he ended up getting arrested, too. And he ended up being a journalist. So people kind of felt bad about that, but he fit the description of who they were looking for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2825.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo people were taking things in their own hands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2844.0,2847.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAbsolutely. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2847.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWhat was your organizational response to that? I mean, what kind of messages are... Everybody's hurting, and the nation and the world is hurting after Emanuel. They are more sympathetic deaths than a Walter Scott. And so, there's much more attention placed on Charleston. What does that do for the organizing effort?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2850.0,2876.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nFor about two weeks, it helped. After that two weeks, it went, got right back to normal. I just think about it that very next morning, Black Lives Matter was providing security for Morris Brown AME Church. We were the ones sitting on the steps. And then police - because the police were out there, too, and they helped us at that point - they were like, \"Look, don't let anybody else in unless they're Black Lives Matter Charleston,\" and then directed them to myself, or... That's when I first met Dimitri Cherney, because he wanted to sit on the stairs. And he was like, \"Can I come sit up there with y'all?\" I was like, \"Mm, okay.\" So I let him come sit up on the stairs with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2876.0,2920.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nWe provided security, that very next morning, we went out to the VC statue because there was a bomb threat. One of our events out there. We went over to the VC statue and met with some people, and talked to them about the history of Charleston and whatnot. Everything was great for two weeks, we started to put together demands again, seeing what could be done. But then, that next week, I want to say June 23rd, that's when they burned the flag at Marion Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2920.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThey burned the flag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2954.0,2956.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nIt was us, as well as other groups that were out there. We had a solidarity protest out there. I was driving back from Columbia meeting with Black Lives Matter Columbia. As I was driving back, I got a call that said, \"Jason burned the flag.\" They were supposed to only burn the Confederate flag, to try to challenge that rule, because this was right before they were trying to take down the Confederate flag from the State Capitol. Jason burned, as they were burning the Confederate flag, there were police officers trying to take the American flag, because they thought that was going to happen next. As they were going back and forth with Moya - there's a video of it actually - they were going back and forth with Moya, trying to get the American flag from the police officer, snatching it. It ended up going to Jason, and Jason lit the American flag on fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=2956.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nPeople had to go into hiding after that, because, you know, that wasn't a good look on our end. And then, I know people on the backend of our group tried to put out an apology. And I said, \"I don't want to apologize for anything. Why should we apologize for this piece of cloth?\" And other people said that, you know, \"It was a bad look on our end, and we need to apologize. Not for the action, but for... \" They said something like “betrayal”, or something like that. I'm like, \"We didn't betray anybody. The flag betrayed us.\" That's where I was at. Granted, we are a week away from Mother Emanuel. They are having conversations about trying to take a flag that's been flying over the State Capitol. I don't care about any of these flags, at this point. Burn it. Put in the ocean. I don't care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3012.0,3058.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAnd, they were standing in front of the Calhoun statue. I don't care. So, I think Jason had to go into hiding, a few people got arrested. And they were really trying to send them to jail for that. They were really trying to send people to jail for burning that American flag. It was crazy. But after Mother Emanuel, I said I was leaving Charleston. I was never coming back to Charleston. So, I made plans to move back to Detroit. And I left that very first week in July, but I stayed in contact, trying to do organizing from afar, in Charleston. But I just started seeing how... I think Akua left that next week, Akua left the group the next week, Brandon kind of fell back. And I didn't meet up again, with any of them. I met up with Amari and Moya inside of Cleveland for the national Black Lives, the Movement for Black Lives, major meeting up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3058.0,3119.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThat's when I figured at that point, I was like, \"There's no Black Lives Matter Charleston.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3119.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThere is no more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3123.0,3126.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nNo more Black Lives Matter Charleston, and that was it. It was just going to be Moya, putting out different things, and waving his flag. Days of Grace came. I think they had a presence there. But after that, there was no more organization like we had it before. But those were some of the major events. Like I said, Mother Emanuel, the burning of the flag and then, the major key infighting points that we had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3126.0,3157.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. You shared quite a bit. I just think it's important that, for the record, we know that the organizing continues in the way of the Racial Justice Initiative. And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I guess I'm saying, while Black Lives Matter Charleston may have ended, do you see some of these initiatives continuing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3157.0,3194.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nAbsolutely. Absolutely. I mean, like you just said. With RSJ, Racial and Social Justice Initiative. And maybe the NCCR, the North Charleston Coalition for Reform, or something like that, was founded. I mean, CAJM is really big right now, they have thousands... MILLICENT BROWN\n\nCharleston Area Justice...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3194.0,3219.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nCharleston Area Justice...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3219.0,3219.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nCharleston Area Justice... DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nYeah, Charleston Area Justice Ministry. There are so many organizations out there, that are doing great work. So yeah, it's all about Black Lives Matter Charleston, but everybody, I mean the transit folk, the people for... The Friends of Low Country Transit, a lot of those people were part of Black Lives Matter Charleston. A lot of those people organized with Black Lives Matter Charleston, and they're just out doing other organizations, even if they're not flying under that same banner. I mean, what the kids are doing now with Black Lives Matter. And I don't mean as a pejorative against them, but that the younger people are doing both Black Lives Matter in Charleston now? That's great. Keep the word going, do what you got to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3219.0,3264.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nBut, we're old in this game now. And I can't be out there with my knees, and getting cold and getting arrested, and everything like I used to. But I can do whatever I can do on my end, funding things or doing things with the College of Charleston, or doing things with the Avery to help amplify anything that they're doing. But it's important that they also know the history of what was going on, those fights, you know. Or they just going to go through the same exact thing that we went through, the same exact thing. I think it already happened, just from hearing some of the stories from the organization now, it's already happened. I was like, \"Yep. That's what we had, that’s what happened to us. I can show you the date. I can show you... \" MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd the cycle continues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3264.0,3305.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd the cycle continues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3305.0,3305.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961/transcript/87841/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd the cycle continues. DARON L. CALHOUN\n\nThe cycle continues. Fighting with the elders, infighting about women in the movement, infighting about homophobia and this and that and this and that. It was like, \"Wow, y'all are having the same exact conversation we had in 2015.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164244/file/298961#t=3305.0,3329.0"}]}]}]}