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These plans were in the initial stages of development when C of C was approached by the EastWest Institute, and the resulting gift helped establish the Mroz Institute, and build a more ambitious program for the LCWA. 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He discusses his efforts to build global fluency for LCWA students, and the support he received from the College of Charleston administration and President Hsu for his plans. These plans were in the initial stages of development when C of C was approached by the EastWest Institute, and the resulting gift helped establish the Mroz Institute, and build a more ambitious program for the LCWA. Johnson tells the story of this gift, and talks about the future of LCWA.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCopyright \u0026copy; College of Charleston\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Lowcountry Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Lowcountry Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/212/original/LOHI_aviarybanner2.jpg?1741032082","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/174/065/small/Johnson_Tim_Jan2023.mp4_1674676986.jpg?1674676989","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Johnson_Tim_Jan2023.mp4"]},"duration":2334.356,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/174/065/small/Johnson_Tim_Jan2023.mp4_1674676986.jpg?1674676989","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cofc.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/174/065/original/Johnson_Tim_Jan2023.mp4?1674676985","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":2334.356,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Transcript of Interview with Timothy Johnson, January 18, 2023 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nGreat. If you could start by telling us your name and your position?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=0.0,3.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nTimothy Johnson, and I am the Dean of the School of Languages, Cultures and World Affairs at the College of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=3.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nHow long have you been Dean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=10.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nI've been Dean since 2017, so almost seven years now. I'm right on my seventh year, because I started in January of 2017.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=12.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nCan you give us an overview of the school, and where you saw the school heading before the EastWest Institute came onto the scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=20.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nBefore the EastWest Institute came on the scene? Well, a lot of things were going on before then, as you know. And the School of Languages, Cultures and World Affairs is one of the reasons I came here. Although at first I didn't have much to do with it. It was an important entity, as far as I was concerned. I was a graduate professor at the University of Florida at the time, and I came here in 2011 and had no real thought of leaving the University of Florida. I was perfectly happy there. I knew about the College of Charleston through a colleague of mine at the University, named Robert Wagman, and also one of my students was applying for a position here. And that student walked into my office, I was supposed to be writing for them, and said, \"They don't want me, they want you.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=28.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what he meant by that was that they had pulled back the ad, and put it out for a senior person. And I just couldn't get it out of my head. So in conversations with my wife, Pam, she said, \"Well, when you know can't do that, what we always do, we always apply, because that's the only way you can really find out about it.\" And I visited, one thing led to another, and this is where I came. The classics department has a national reputation here, is probably the only thing that could have pried me out of my seat at University of Florida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=76.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the other thing was LCWA. Because I was really tired, I have to tell you, of playing with the sociologists in a large department and a large school. And it was really appealing to me that there was a college committed to a holistic approach to language, culture education and had a global perspective to it. And I thought, okay, now that sounds like something different. Let's go try that. Besides the reputation of the Classics department here. So, I came in 2011 as chair of Classics. That was my first real introduction to LCWA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=107.0,145.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, skipping forward to the second part of that equation, it's a lot different, as you know, when all of a sudden you sit down in the seat of the dean of the school, which happened unexpectedly in 2017 because the previous dean stepped out quickly, and accepted another position as a Dean of Arts and Sciences at University of Houston. And so, I came into the position not expecting that to ever have happened. And said, okay, now what are we going to do with this? And we started working on a branding exercise for the school and a programming strategy for the school, that's centered around what we named global fluency. And that term had been used a lot, mostly in the business world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=145.0,194.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we defined it as for the school, as we do three things. We want every student before they come out of here to have high linguistic aptitude. Now's a really terrible time to be monolingual. But that has to be blended with cultural intelligence. And then the third item is world impact skills. And we started thinking about, all right, how do we do that across all of the college curriculum? Not just a language requirement, but how do we holistically develop programming so that students who now have to be so globally proficient, can't dodge it in the curriculum? And so, that's what we started working on, and that's primarily what the school then started trending toward from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=194.0,241.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nGreat. How did you land on the idea of global fluency? Was this something you'd observed or something that you-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=241.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWell, that's a really great question. David Cohen, a previous dean of the school, contacted me about an entity in Charleston called the CRDA, Charleston Regional Development Alliance, as a good way of entering the community and finding out what's going on in the business world internationally. And I started on their advisory board. And I started hearing the term there. And at the time then, we were throwing out lots of terms, Emily, for the branding to see what would happen. And that happened to be the one that stuck. I noticed in meetings, people would pick that up and repeat it. Well, okay, so it was really chosen by use at the time. Then it became important to be able to define it the way that we thought we'd like it to really be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=247.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nNow, what was the reception like with the faculty and with the students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=301.0,307.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThe reception was really, really good. And what was really, really good, is the students already are there. The students are usually the ones that are ahead. Because they may not be able to put any definition to it, but they know they'll come in and say, \"Okay, what are you all doing? I hear this and I know that this international stuff is really important.\" They really don't know how to define that yet, but they know that it's something now that they have to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=307.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Faculty are a different story, because they help guide the curriculum, and they have their own interests that have to be shaped, and their own research interests and teaching interests. But who really hooked onto it hard, I think, besides the students, was the administration. Because the administration finally had a way to talk about this, and that really made a big difference. And we were doing a lot of work right then, I was, with the new strategic plan. And so, we started working on the strategic plan, and they started putting it into the strategic plan. If you look at the mission of the whole college now, it's to develop globally fluent citizens. It's right in there. And so, that's what really made that work. And then it ended up being written through the international that way, all the way through the strategic plan. And that's being the mission of LCWA. Then we were synced with the strategic plan right out of the gate there, so that was a big plus up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=336.0,400.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nIt sounds like the transformation at LCWA is overlapping with a transformation in the history of the college itself. Is that a fair assessment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=400.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYeah. College of Charleston's always, it's a port city as you know. It's always had this international side to it. And what I would call a really interesting combination of tradition, with creativity and cutting edge things, and putting that together. It's always been that way. As I often thought about, there's enough chaos here just to be interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=407.0,432.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nI love that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=432.0,434.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThere's room here to be creative and do things, but that international side is always here. And so, we have a lot of advantages here that others don't have in terms, of the school and the international side. The port, the trade, the investment of international business. This is one of the highest states in terms of international investment per capita. The German Auto Industry's here, big time. The third most language spoken in the state is German. That makes it a different kind of context to work in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=434.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nAbsolutely. Shifting gears a little bit, how did you first hear of the East West Institute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=470.0,473.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWell, I heard about the EastWest Institute from Hilton Smith, who was chair of the advisory board for the school, LCWA. And I really did not have much to do with it, and it's not as if I immediately ran out and looked up what it was or what it was doing. And that's simply, to me, it was primarily a name that was used. Now, the school had an ongoing relationship with EWI, because of sharing some advisory board members and interests, but it was not what I would call tight. Now, what did happen is when we started bringing in speakers...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=473.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We started including our speakers coming in, Emily, the individuals involved with EWI. Cameron Munter was here, Bill Powell was here. So that was primarily the extent of the connection, was just that. Now, this is something I did not know. Back when the school was founded, this is hearsay for me, in 2006, EWI held one of their meetings here. And in the course of that discussion, there was a group of philanthropists in town who were interested, along with the president, of increasing the college's, I guess I would say, outward face and involvement in international education, make it more intentional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=521.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, they were talking about starting a school. That's when the school grew out. And EWI happened to be here around that time. And John Mroz was asked about what he thought, and he laid down a prescription for what he thought would be a good school, and how it would look, or what the contents would be. And that was very informative for those people, those individuals that were working on developing the school at the time. So there was that connection. But that was, for me, just something that happened back there. And I didn't even find out about it until Mroz came up now. And then people went back and said, \"Well, you know they were here before.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=575.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, that's very interesting. Maybe you can describe for me the moment when that loose relationship became a little bit closer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=609.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nOkay. This is the part of the story, I think that is often... and you started with LCWA's development, that's often overlooked. And I come at it this way in thinking about it people, the Mroz Institute actually formally started in 2021. We gave it the date of January 20th, and we can talk about what happened between when they approached us and that time. But what was going on earlier in the school when I came in as Dean, is really formative to what happened with the Mroz Institute. People look and say to us, \"I can't believe all that you got done in the year that it was open.\" That's because most of it was already going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=619.0,664.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Back in 2018, 2019, when we started talking about this original problem of how we would take the international and sync it across, make it systemic if you will, across the college, we started working on what we called at the time, a Global Fluency Exchange. A system of programs that would help do that, because it covers students across the college and not just LCWA students, with programming components. And that Global Fluency Exchange was being built there, with the components that you see now of Mroz Institute. We put in place the Global Ambassadors conceptually, and then started piloting it. We added the International Scholars to it. The International Scholars were already there. We created what was called a series of globally connected courses, that included virtual projects or exchanges within internationals within the courses. And we started funding those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=664.0,732.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had the World Affairs Colloquia going. We had what we call the Ambassadors' Corner going, which became the Global Spotlight. And those were basically in place. It was not meant to be, designed to be a closed system, but to be open so other programming could be added to it. And then the college in about 2018, '19, so that was '18, '19, that was so late 2019, 2020, developed what they called a development campaign called The Big Idea. And they invited people across the college to put forward big ideas that would be transformative by the college. And at that point, we had this Global Fluency Exchange, which is a terrible name, and we had some programming with it. So I went to a colleague of mine in Classics, Jim Newhart. Now Jim, pound for pound, is the best grant writer I've ever met. I said, \"Look, can I put you at the lead of the task force to take, and write this up, and make some better sense out of it and put it into the big idea competition?\" All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=732.0,804.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which he did. And that task force did, and produced what we called an executive summary, about a 90 page summary of what the Global Fluency Exchange would be. It was one of the big ideas chosen by the committee for presentation to the new president coming in, President Hsu. So Jim and some others on the task force pitched this to President Hsu. He liked it, except the only comment that he made at the end is that the name is really bad. He says, \"We can't go with this. Can't we call it an institute or something?\" And so by his suggestion, it became renamed the Global Leadership Institute. So there was already a Global Leadership Institute in place with an executive summary, and we were building it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=804.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other words, I had one of the other deans come into my office along with the CEO for President Hsu, Paul Patrick, and he was meeting with us, and Paul was a big proponent of the international side of this development in the college. And when he left the room talking about it in a very positive way, the other dean looked at me and said, \"Well, now what are we going to do about it? What are we going to do to keep this from being just another thing that's talked about?\" I said, \"Well, I don't know what else to do, but we're just going to start doing it.\" So we started fundraising for it with pilots down in the programs, and that's where we were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=852.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now here comes the other half. This is where you asked, where does EWI come into this? Karen called Hilton and said, \"EWI's decided to dissolve. Do you have anything going on at the College of Charleston?\" Okay. Well, Hilton calls me and says, \"Do we have anything going on? This could be really good. There's assets involved. This could be a great thing to happen.\" And I said, \"Well, who else are they talking to?\" And you know who they named off, Notre Dame, Stanford. Now I was thinking, okay, yeah, right. We're going to do this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=889.0,929.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what I did, was I just took the executive summary and sent it off to Hilton. I said, \"Send them this.\" I was supposing that we will never hear from them again, but it's now off my plate. Well, two weeks later, we had a contact back that said, \"I think we ought to sit down and talk.\" And things went from there. We sat down and had a conversation with Bruce McConnell, and then it kind of went from there. That's how the two things came together. As it turned out through the meetings, we were able to discover that what EWI wanted to try to do, we could accommodate that. And we were already working towards that. Of course, EWI with its funding and its network, was like having a very large steroid shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=929.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nOkay. Yeah, I can imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=987.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThat's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=989.0,990.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nSo can you just give a brief overview of how the Mroz Institute and the EWI gift maps onto the Global Fluency Exchange structure that you had described earlier?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=990.0,1002.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYes. What happened there, is things started to become really interesting, of course, when Jonathan Fanton joined the meetings because he's the leader of the transition team, and then figures started being mentioned. Now, what EWI had in mind was to have a named professorship. But frankly, they did not have enough money to do that. And they'd been told other places, and when they met with us, the first thing I said is, \"You don't have enough money for it either.\" Because a place usually feeds down four to 5% of an endowment, so you're talking about a $5 million investment before most people will even start talking to you about that. But I looked back at him... And then the other problem was, I looked back at Bruce and John said, \"We don't do track two diplomacy. You understand we're an educational institute, and we just don't do that. We're not boots on the ground yet. We're developing that, but that's not what happens here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1002.0,1072.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, what made that familiar to EWI is that they, as you know, have always had a strong educational side to them. I would say more so than most any other NGO type organization I've seen. And a lot of their success was by developing interns. So there was an appreciation for the educational side, or the educational mission. And I think that there are two things that I struck home with EWI'S touchpoints when we were talking to them in the first meetings. I said, \"Look, if you really want to help mitigate or do good work around international conflict, I can't think of anything better to do than to train the next generation of global leaders. So, let's start there.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1072.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I noticed as I was building the Global Fluency Exchange, I had several conversations with John Emery, and Sykes and so on, that most of the professional development for this area, Emily, International Affairs, International Studies and so on, was at the upper undergraduate level at best, or at the beginning of the graduate level. And we wanted to try to take that and push that down, to students that were earlier in their development. That was part of the idea of the Global Fluency Exchange. That registered, I think, with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1126.0,1158.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other part that I just told EWI's leader straight out is, \"Look, you've made a living about going to places that other people weren't, and other places that other people won't go, to the point that sometimes it costs you.\" Well, when you look at the United States, the Northeast is just loaded. Hopkins, on it goes. You have Notre Dame, Chicago in the Midwest, and you've got Berkeley in the East, and Stanford out there. But place in the country that's the weakest is the Southeast, and that's right where we are. So if you want to do something that would have high impact, this is a place to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1158.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And by the way, your money will go further. So then the conversation started to become pretty serious about what they're going to... now, your question was about how did it add? We had two things that we offered to them to do in addition to what we're already doing. And that was a Visiting Fellows program. I said, \"Look, you can put your money down in one professorship and that'll have good impact. But you also, with the money that you do have, could fund a Visiting Scholars program.\" And what we did to do that, is I took the Kennedy school model, and boiled it down to a mini, and they have this too, the mini one week, two week stays. I said, \"That you could fund. You could fund through an endowment of about a million and a half, you could fund three to four of those a year, and keep it constantly, and so the students are constantly building their network.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1195.0,1254.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other thing that we have, and this was the brainchild of John White, the Dean of the Library, and that is John realized that if this was going to be about track two diplomacy, and they have archives that they want to give, most of the really good information is not going to be in the archives because this is a verbal undertaking. John looked at me and said, \"I think an oral history project has to be a part of this.\" And it just so happens that John is probably one of the best digital archivists in the country. And so, we brought John into the meeting, and then we started building a team out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1254.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other component besides the archive and oral history project, was I knew that we needed a director for this .because I've been a part of other ventures that I tried myself, that didn't have a driver and they didn't work. We had to have a driver, and I knew who we wanted there because Max Kavalov was here, and I knew that he would be great at this. It was just a matter of getting him funded, and having him in that position, which we were able to get done because of the Bennett gift.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1291.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nWonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1319.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThat's kind of how it-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1320.0,1321.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nHow it came together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1321.0,1323.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nIt glued together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1323.0,1325.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nTell us a little bit about what it felt like to be in these conversations. This was a pretty big gift. Were you excited, skeptical that it was going to work out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1325.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWell, there's risk involved. And the administration in some cores felt the risk pretty keen. And I don't blame them, because here's the thing that you don't want to do: John Mroz, or it was a common saying that you under-promise, over-perform. Look, you don't want to tell somebody that you can do things and then not be able to do them, or you don't want to tell them that you can do things, and then their money that they give is not enough to do it. You really have to be careful about the match. There was a lot of financial work to do on, okay, what is this really going to take to run, and what price are you really going to have to put on these things? So that was part of the conversation. How it felt to be part in it, is there was not time to be really too reticent because you're talking to so-and-so. And everybody was so good about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1332.0,1393.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, I knew by the people that they were bringing in, Emily, that they were serious. I mean, Jonathan Fanton is a known name. I knew that we had something when Jonathan Fanton joined the meetings, and one of the first things he said was, \"All right, I've looked at everything that the College of Charleston has out on the website, gone through it, and everything that's out there, and I'm impressed.\" That was a big thing to me, because people don't put down a gift of this size in a school where they don't also think the college is really, or the university is really good. The whole thing has to be, this will work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1393.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, when we received that opinion or that trust from Jonathan Fanton, that meant a lot. And of course, Karen had this connection, or felt this connection, and she pretty clearly wanted it to come here. At that point, it became more of okay, let's find a way that we can do this and make it work. There was a lot of patience involved because they also were dissolving with assets, which meant that it had to go through approval from New York before they could release any of the funding. We're in a system where you can't invest until you have the funding. That's one of the reasons why it was good to have the pilot going, because we could immediately write a website, put it up, and it looked like it was something there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1439.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. You had the groundwork.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1487.0,1488.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYeah, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1488.0,1488.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat makes sense. You mentioned that the start date for the Institute's legacy here at the College of Charleston, you mentioned January 20th, 2021. And so the conversations, just so I'm clear on the timeline, it sounds like the conversations you're describing happened throughout 2020. Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1488.0,1506.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWe were first contacted in August. That's how quickly it moved, in August of 2019.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1506.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\n2019, okay. That it was passed. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1515.0,1517.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nJust three months before the date of the birth in 2020, if I've got it right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1517.0,1525.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThe date of birth is 2020 or 2021?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1525.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\n2021, I'm sorry. You're right. So it's August, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1530.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nOkay. Wow, that is fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1533.0,1535.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nIt's very fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1535.0,1536.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nAnd then just a little bit over a year later, you had the inaugural convening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1536.0,1540.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYeah. Now, that was an accident. But one of the things that wasn't counted on was the convening. Because okay, in 2020, we are right smack in the pandemic. And it was moving fast, in other words, they were really willing to commit the funds. Although they had to wait for New York. We were willing to commit to doing it, so they were signing gift agreements, end of the year, first of the year. And the gift agreements came into place. Now, they couldn't be signed off on until everything was wrapped up by the State of New York. But I would say we moved from discussions starting in August, to the delivery of the gift from EWI at the end of June.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1540.0,1598.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, we chose January 20th because January 20th was CFC day, the birthday of CFC, I mean of the college. And so we put it on that day, because that's a big day. And it enabled us to be able to celebrate the gift and give it the attention that it deserved. So that's the timeline in there. You are talking about a few months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1598.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, that's real fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1621.0,1623.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nOf going actually into place. And then the immediate strategy became, okay, let's put in place the things that we're bringing in that we didn't have as part of the piloting. Let's bring in the archive, and the network, then let's get the Visiting Fellows program up and running and go from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1623.0,1648.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, makes sense. So you mentioned the inaugural convening was a mistake?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1648.0,1652.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nNo, not a mistake. It was a good thing, accident.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1652.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nI don't mean to, I'm not trying to trap you here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1657.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThere were some people that may think... look, what happened was this. And I don't mind saying this is a delicate thing, and EWI family, or what we now call the Mroz community, talk about it in this way too, is that you have a lot of people that had invested their lives in this. And they're really hurting, grieving from the dissolution. And the pandemic makes it worse, because they can't get together. So they started talking about when can we get together? And of course, the invitation went out, well, we could do that at the college. We could have a toasting, or champagne, and have the board in or something. Okay, well, the conversation expanded from that to trying to enact, if you will, or carry over the tradition of a convening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1660.0,1722.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, as you'll notice, that was the only thing that was not part of the gift, so there was no funding for it. It just so happened that when the dissolution occurred and was wrapped up by the State, there was this residual amount of funding that came in from them, that we could use for a convening. And I'm not sure how the convening will go forward. We're working on that. Because an inaugural convening, as anybody from EWI will tell you, it's expensive to do. And it was part of their legacy of funding in order to do this. And it was not easy to pull off, and very time consuming. Well, we decided to have an inaugural convening and bring everybody back that we possibly could. And that's where that came about, it came about as trying to do the responsible or stewardship side of the gift. And of course, it turned out excellent. It was a grand learning experience. I've done things like that before, but it was pretty full on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1722.0,1796.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nIt was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1796.0,1796.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nAnd we put together a team across the college, and pulled it off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1796.0,1799.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nIt seemed in keeping with EWI's tradition of having really fantastic events that are very ambitious. And so, it really felt like a way to honor its legacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1799.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThere's discussions going on right now, because it's not really, I don't think as part of the institute, a sustainable model in terms of both energy and financial commitment to doing it. So we have going on this spring, in conjunction with the president's provost office, what we're calling a summit. It's shorter and more condensed. Because part of the problem too with the convening is to try to be able to manage schedules. Because the EWI, the Mroz community, contains people within it with really, you're talking about Steven Heinz, and on it goes, and Jonathan Fanton, you're talking about some schedules that are just jammed. And so to try to have people come in for three days, it's just... well, with the summit, it's going to be on food sustainability and food security. They can come in on a Thursday evening and have a gathering. Have meetings on that subjected topic, Friday morning, meetings with each other in the afternoon some, and then if they want to see Charleston, do it on the weekend. And they're out of here, and they've only lost a day, day and a half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1811.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nMakes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1882.0,1884.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWe're hoping to move to a summit type model that's more sustainable, in terms of both funding and cost, and also people's schedules and time and so on, what we're able to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1884.0,1895.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat sort of leads into my next question, which is a year on from this amazing convening, and the launch of the Mroz Institute. Where do you see the Mroz Institute developing and what do you think are the growth areas with regards to LCWA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1895.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWell, one of the things that, this is what's nice about the pilot that we were doing, the exchange and the Mroz Institute and how they sync together and do so well. My first answer to that, to everybody, Emily, and myself, is let's make sure the programming is up and fully functional. Right now for instance, if you look at our website, the World Affairs Colloquia and so on, they're announced about two weeks before they happen. We have to be able now, not only just to have them launched, but to have them up, fully functional and running well. And a lot of the time goes in into that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1911.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's just bottom line, is making sure that this stuff is really there. Not just a little bit there, but really there, and develops. And that way it becomes a known quantity and a player. The network is not easy to manage and get ahold of, because frankly, some people are not interested in the approach. They were with EWI for particular reasons that maybe now don't exist. And so, learning the network, and learning the people, and building the relationships with the people are really important. And that's why I would say that I didn't really, wasn't convinced that we needed a convening, but that was my mistake. Because what this is a lot about is relationship building. And that enables that to take place and to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=1954.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that network part of it, that's why I would say... now, in terms of expanding, the visitors program can be expanded as much as we can have the time to build it out. The professional development can be expanded. Because when we built these things, they're all scalable. Right now we have one cohort of global ambassadors. If funding becomes available, it would be great to be able to start a second cohort. So these programs that we have in place can all be scaled and built out, and they're not meant to be stagnant. And so, there's a lot of good things to do that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2010.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah, it sounds like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2055.0,2056.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYeah. That's good for the school, because the school really had no... not enough, anyway, professional development on this side of what we are doing. The World Affairs side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2056.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. Looking big picture, what are you proudest of or happiest about that that came out of this project?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2070.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nA network is really hard to build when you're doing it from scratch. That is probably the biggest thing that came out of that. Also, there's a lot of good credit that goes from the college towards the international side of the house, because of the Big Ideas. We were one of the first ones, we were the first one funded. And so when you walk into meetings and so on, the conversation has pretty much stopped about, oh well, I don't think people will give money to this. That's pretty much done. And that's quite helpful. And we have learned a lot about, and I have learned a lot about development, and how to build it together with curriculum and programming, and make it function, and work and do well. I'm not a person that typically sits back and says I'm happy with that. Because when that happens, then you're done. And this was not designed to be a thing that was done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2081.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nYeah. It seems like it's going to keep growing and changing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2162.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nYeah. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2166.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat's wonderful. Well, we are coming close to the end here. One of the questions we like to ask everyone is, the Oral History Archive is meant to preserve some of the history of the EastWest Institute, but it's also serving as a resource for students, just as you mentioned, for a network. So I wonder, do you have any advice for students of international affairs or students looking to build this global fluency? What's your big ticket advice for them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2166.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nThe students here are really good about this, but I would say international is still a hands-on experience. We put in a language, an international lab that's really a cool room. It's built to house virtual exchanges and shared projects. It's a room where the acoustics are so controlled, that you can have four different groups going on inside of it in proximity, but they don't interfere with each other, but it's done without walls. And so, that's functioning. The students need, I like to see them, the archive, the professionals coming in, it's all hands on, and about building and learning. These great thinkers when they come in, and practitioners spend time with them, and you can see the students just really, really eating that up and utilizing it well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2190.0,2256.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's one of the things I really cherish so much. Max came in to me and said, \"Well, I think we need to start having open advising sessions with the fellows coming in.\" I said, \"The students aren't used to that. Just remember that usually takes about the third time before it really kicks off.\" They're already, they just immediately started booking them out. And so, the archive becomes part of that. The professional development ambassadors come in that, because it's all synced together. So the speakers coming in, when they come in, they just don't give a public talk. They give a public talk, they have the advising sessions, they have sessions with the different global ambassadors, they have sessions with the international scholars, and on it goes. And so, where else does somebody get to sit down with students and have repeated contacts and conversations with Jonathan Fanton, for instance, coming down? And the people that he's going to bring in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2256.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EMILY WHALEN\n\nThat's wonderful. Well, it's a great place to end. Thank you so much, Tim. And thank you also for helping to bring the EWI legacy into College of Charleston. It's been really great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2310.0,2322.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065/transcript/43564/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TIMOTHY JOHNSON\n\nWell, it's great to be a part of what happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1894/collection_resources/85864/file/174065#t=2322.0,2334.356"}]}]}]}