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MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThis is right here in front of me. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=0.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nGood morning. Hi there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=10.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHello. Apologies, I'm - for being late getting on board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=13.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nNice to see you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=19.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHello. How are you doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=21.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nGood. I'm Kristi Brian. I also go by Kaj, either one is fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=24.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nKaj. Okay. Okay. KRISTI BRIAN\n\n[inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=31.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\n[inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=34.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\n[inaudible ].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=34.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nForgive us, Kaj, for - a couple of things are a little bit different with us on this end this morning; we have some folks doing some things they don't normally do. Can you see me? Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=36.0,49.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYep. I can see you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=49.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm Milicent Brown and-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=51.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nI know you, Milicent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=57.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\n[Laughter] And I know that – oh, I don't need to be mic'd, that's right. Okay. I know that in your agreeing to be a part of this project, it was explained to you – hopefully – you know, what we're trying to accomplish. And so, we are really delighted to have you as a part of this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=58.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe are going to start off by... Wait a minute – again - new protocol. We don't need to do the name, and spell the name, and all that? 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And then, I'm going to then ask you about where you're from. And people answer that very differently. Sometimes that's just where they were born, and reared - maybe you were born one place, but your earliest youthful influences came from someplace else. So that answer can be as short or as long as you need it to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=94.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd then we're going to ask you to just tell us what kind of a label or title you now associate with your name, what job you have. Again, that can be according to how you define what you're doing now. 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Is that timing okay for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=147.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah, that's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=161.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWe don't want anybody feeling that they are constrained. We can take a little less, a little bit more. 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Lots of places in my timeline as well, going to Europe, Chicago. But I came to Charleston from Philadelphia in 2010. And so that's when I was hired by Alison Piepmeier as a visiting professor in Women's and Gender Studies at the College of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=285.0,306.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nOkay. So, in 2010. And so now what are you saying is your title? 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I was not politically conscious at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=402.0,406.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nFrom undergrad then I moved to Eastern Europe and lived in Slovakia. And I was teaching English there. And that's really where I developed my political conscience [consciousness?] in Eastern Europe, as a place that was transitioning away from Communism and had this new interest in the West and democracy. And so that's really where I started understanding what capitalism looked like in the United States. 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And my great-grandfather, who I never met, was a Cherokee man and was married to a woman who – so, he was actually murdered pretty young in his life - and from there, my great-grandmother went on to develop farming operation and at times was known to harvest more wheat than anyone in the country and was dubbed the “World's Wheat Queen”.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=457.0,500.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd so, that history of always felt provides me a lot to grapple with [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=500.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] in history, as well as a piece of the wealth that came from that history. So once my grandfather took on the farming operation, then he made sure that all the grandchildren had a piece of the farm. So, I actually continue to benefit as a partial owner in Kansas, which again is something that I think, you know, is central to my own privilege, and wealth, and situatedness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=509.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nBut I don't really have close ties to Kansas anymore, other than my mother still lives there, family there. So, you asked about Kansas, so I didn't want to just brush over that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=545.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nNo. But that's really fascinating. If you don't mind me asking, you talked about your grandfather being murdered. Did that have anything to do with him being an Indigenous person? Was it a - kind of a hate crime, or situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=559.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. We think so. He was known throughout the town actually as a “half-breed”. So he was often referred to as that way, and in the court papers is still referred to as that way, because one of his parents was European and the other Cherokee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=574.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo yeah, we do suspect at the time that he was murdered was trying to develop a school, and there was opposition to him developing this school, so that's about as much as I know about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=591.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm just curious about... with a tragedy in the family like that, how that story was passed on through the family. Was that something of shame or was that something that instilled pride? Or what was the basic interpretation among - to the best of your memory - within your family about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=612.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. So my grandmother, as I said, after her husband was murdered... And she also had lost two children from disease and early on in her life experiencing that kind of trauma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=647.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nBut then her son, my grandfather is the one who really did instill the pride in the family. And he always wanted us to think of ourselves as Cherokee. As I got older, that became really problematic for us. I had never, at that point, never been on a reservation, had never experienced any of the hardships that Indigenous people had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=666.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, I spoke about that history less. And my mom always wanted to identify as Cherokee. But I politicized that for myself and to some degree with her. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=723.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nCorrect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=729.0,732.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nSo the fact that you know that our project is designed to talk about South Carolina and especially Charleston and people who found themselves in involved in various kinds of activities, you were here during a really important period for Charleston, the fact that you came in 2010.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=732.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou were around when the Walter Scott murder occurred and as well as several other incidents like that. Can you talk about being here in Charleston from that point and some of the things that you were observing and perhaps even eventually getting involved in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=758.0,784.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. So, I have to back up just a little bit, to the context for what it was like for me to experience the Walter Scott and the Mother Emanuel tragedy and what I had been doing, you know, prior to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=784.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, starting at the College of Charleston in 2010, I taught for three semesters as visiting professor in Women's and Gender Studies. And then I was hired as the Director of Diversity, of Institutional Diversity. 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I think it was maybe just after Walter Scott and the Mother Emanuel. It was certainly around that time. And Reverend Barber came to town, there was a conference at the Longshoreman Hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=926.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd there was a protest that day as well. So, you know, I feel like in Charleston, I was able to meet a lot of really important organizers, Bob Moses and Dave Dennis. We did something with the students during a visit that they had in town. And as the director of diversity education, it was really important to me to engage the students in everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=955.0,984.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd so we developed [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=984.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. We had an annual student diversity conference. And that's when we engaged the students with Bob Moses and Dave Dennis. So, you know I feel like once, honestly, [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=989.0,1010.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [after I left?] the Diversity Office, because of grievances, I started moving my political focus into the Transformative Teaching Collective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1010.0,1019.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nI was still involved at the College of Charleston - after I left the diversity office, I've been an adjunct - and for a couple different times, I also served as the director of the Gender and Sexuality Equity Center. And so that was also a vehicle to politicize and collaborate with other things going on in Charleston, bring people to campus to keep the political and intellectual life alive there, so yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1019.0,1058.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nNow, I'm going to say that if you would unpack a little bit of that for us... Because first of all, I think it's going to be really interesting to give us a little bit of insight about the kinds of initiatives you just described, even with the Diversity Office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1058.0,1078.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nHow does that feel in an environment like the College of Charleston? I mean, is that an uphill battle or is there an embracing of this as the new way forward? Tell us a little bit about what it's like, in this timeframe, to try to impose some of these more progressive thoughts on a very conservative college environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1078.0,1109.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYes, it was very difficult. And I really took the position at the encouragement of Patricia Lessane. Patricia and I moved to Charleston at the same time and didn't know each other beforehand, but we had a common mentor, Joyce, Joyce, who we both had studied with. And so she connected us and said, \"You're both going to Charleston.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1109.0,1137.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, Patricia encouraged me to apply for the position in the Diversity Office. And I did recognize that as maybe a more permanent way of being at the college as opposed to just a visiting professor. And so I took on that position. And I learned a lot about the politics of the College through that position, for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1137.0,1164.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nIt was very difficult to motivate people to participate. I tried to always collaborate with faculty as a way to give some sort of, you know, credibility to the works, so that, again, is this side office on campus, but that it was really infused into the intellectual growth of the campus. And I feel like that was effective as a strategy to some extent. because then it would bring in some members of the faculty. I didn't have support in the office, which is ultimately why I resigned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=1164.0,1206.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm sorry. 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I lost a word here. You said... Can you repeat that last thought?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4808.0,4815.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. I said, I didn't have a whole lot of support within the diversity office, which is why I resigned from that position. And that was really just a different orientation to what social justice really means to people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4815.0,4835.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo for me, I came from an activist background from Chicago, Philadelphia, and always wanted to prioritize direct action, and that wasn't always aligned with the chief diversity officer at the time who was obviously reporting to the president. And so things like changing the names of the workshop from, you know, instead of calling something “white privilege”, calling it “cultural competency”, that kind of thing, which to me always felt like a watering down that I wasn't willing to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4835.0,4885.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, yes, it was more like an uphill battle. But being able to work with the students and really develop a robust social justice education through the diversity leaders, we called them the “diversity advocates”, and that was [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4885.0,4907.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] assembling some kind of leadership or interest in just creating a social justice environment on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4907.0,4917.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd so, since I had taught for three semesters, I knew some students and invited them to participate and then, you know, just looking out for student leaders on campus to participate. And we, throughout the semesters, would do intentional dialogues around topics of social justice. And then, you know, we had the Student Diversity Conference each spring, which then allowed me to bring, like I said, some... We brought Cecilia Fire Thunder, Lakota woman to campus for a keynote, and Mariah Thomas who’s a young Black filmmaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4917.0,4967.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo yeah, those were opportunities [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4967.0,4973.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and celebration of the work. And there were points where it was very contentious. So, I ultimately resigned because of that. I was reprimanded and suspended from campus with my [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4973.0,4998.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. So yeah, that-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=4998.0,5001.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYou alone? Or you're saying there was a group of you that was-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5001.0,5005.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nNo, I alone. Because, for one time, I actually delivered a paper at the Avery during lunch. It was some lunchtime gathering. And I had delivered a paper that I wrote for an anthropology conference. 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But the fact that I took my lunch hour to go to the Avery instead of staying on campus, or... You know, he saw that as an inappropriate departure from my role – which, I felt like, was a very appropriate to build with the Avery, to have a presence connecting our office with the important work of the Avery. And so that was one of the reprimands [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5045.0,5081.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. And then-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5081.0,5083.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nLet me just inject here that, the way you describe that - it's almost as if your supervisor didn't recognize that Avery is a part of the College of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5083.0,5095.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nRight. Yeah. I didn't understand it. I couldn't understand why there would be any opposition to my participation, my full participation, in the Avery, regardless of what time of day it was, or...you know? So again, that was a lack of alignment between he and I. Which was significant because it was also during when McConnell was appointed, and which was frightening to me. And I wanted to make clear that - and I did make clear that - I didn't support that decision. But I think for him, I stepped out of line too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5095.0,5148.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'm curious about a couple of things you said. I'd like to go back a little bit to the engaging of students on campus and these diversity advocates that you'd talked about. Are you talking about white students? We know that the majority of the College Charleston is white. But who is it that is being drawn to your office and to this work and to these conversations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5148.0,5183.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah, it was important to me that the diversity advocates were predominantly [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5183.0,5187.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [students of color?] and that white students were also involved and engaged. But I wanted to make sure that there was a forum for the kind of exchanges that I thought needed to happen, you know, between the white students and the students of color.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5187.0,5207.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd, you know, the dialogues were deliberately about social identities, about what it was like to be students who were LGBTQ, or students of color, students with disabilities on a campus like the College of Charleston, you know? And where the possibilities were for students to make change and to have their voices heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5207.0,5235.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo that was sort of the method and design of the diversity advocates. During that time, I was able to [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5235.0,5251.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] - which is surprising looking back - but I was able to convince my supervisor that it would be okay for me to also teach a course built around this - critical dialogues for social justice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5251.0,5265.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, Ade Ofunniyin and I taught those courses, which we called “Critical Dialogues on Social Justice”. 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Or what do you think the impact of your having done that with Ade?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5294.0,5324.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah, so I have served on the committees to require a racial literacy component in the curriculum. We've had two different iterations of that now [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5324.0,5337.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. I've heard about that. So, it's called the “Race, Equity, and Inclusion” requirement, that we as an ad hoc committee have proposed, and the provost has agreed to support that process. There has been a little rift recently because we were supposed to get that underway in the fall, but the provost and president requested that that be delayed for a year. 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So, the class that Ade and I [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5400.0,5423.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"], you know, at some point, other students also taught that course with me after Ade, you know, stepped away from that course. I was able to also have Women and Gender Studies seniors as a co-facilitator for the course, which I felt was really important because they could connect with what it is that students really want to talk about and learn about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5423.0,5454.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo I'm no longer teaching that particular course; we were running it as a First-Year Experience course for a while [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5454.0,5462.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. Some students complained - some white students complained that it was, you know, too much about white privilege. And so, I fought the battle for a little while and then just decided to move on. And the curriculum that I feel is really important still exists within my classes through Women's and Gender Studies and also Sustainability Studies. 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Or, what happened internally with that? Do they get listened to? What's the fallout for those complaints?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5510.0,5537.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, at that point, I think the student had complained to the First-year Experience office. And so then the First year Experience office called me in. And my chair, of the Women's and Gender Studies program, came as well. And we had a conversation about the importance of the curriculum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5537.0,5564.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYou know, they didn't tell me I had to stop teaching the course; [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5564.0,5570.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] was, you know, we have to respond to these students who may be getting their parents involved or having those kind of complaints. So, I think if the legislation passes -  this anti-CRT [critical race theory] legislation passes, then that's going to become a new concern, of the supposed hotline that is set up that students and parents can call and report faculty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5570.0,5602.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd so I imagine that the college is going to have to get some other protocols in place. And I, [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5602.0,5614.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] so, maybe why they delayed the Race, Equity and Inclusion requirement, as well, out of fear of what's coming down from the state legislature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5614.0,5627.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAnd I know how difficult it may be to put yourself in their position. But help us - literally for historical reasons - help us understand what you think the College of Charleston means by “Equity and Inclusion”. You talked a little bit about the pushback that your program and your courses received. But then there is still this Office of Inclusion and Diversity. So, where's the distinction? What is the problem? What is it that they want that you weren't delivering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5627.0,5676.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nHmm...so, I guess... I mean, that's hard to say. I can't really get into the mind of what the Diversity Office believes is the right route to take. But, for me, intellectually, the important route to take is to enhance racial literacy among all students, and especially among white students at a predominantly white campus. And to enhance racial literacy, it's a deep understanding of what structural racism and White supremacy really are, and how that is woven into the fabric of our society and our institution, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5676.0,5722.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nAnd so really, walking students through that, I think, is what is important. And I think that we also have to recognize that is going to be uncomfortable for White students who have been in-[inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5722.0,5741.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [inculcated/instructed/indoctrinated with?] the notion that we should no longer talk about race, or that we don't need to talk about discrimination - that it's something of the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5741.0,5750.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, I think that the College wants to, often, prioritize racial comfort [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5750.0,5763.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"], right, versus really offer the critical curriculum that needs to be in place. So, that's a general way of stating it, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5763.0,5775.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nNo, but it's important for us to... You know, there are a lot of people like you working very hard to bring about some progressive change, and I think it's important to know what they're running up against, you know? And sometimes it comes down to interpretation and vocabulary and understanding of goals, you know? And yours are obviously - and this initiative that you described is - very clear about where you're going. I don't know that most institutions are as clear about what it is they're really seeking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5775.0,5813.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nI'd love to ask you to reflect a little bit on all this energy and activity that you're engaged in on campus - and what's that got to do with what's happening off campus? Do you have a sense of comparison, with the College of Charleston being a predominantly white campus, but still in a city that has a large minority population.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5813.0,5842.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThere's stuff happening, especially after Walter Scott's murder. There's the Black Lives Matter movement going on. Help us understand the connection or perhaps disconnect between the two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5842.0,5859.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. I think, you know, there are a lot of us who want to see that connection very alive, right? And the center for the study of slavery builds those community campus connections, the Avery, obviously. You know, as faculty - well, I remember, bringing Muhiyidin into my classroom to talk about what he was doing in the Black Lives Matter movement - what kind of organizing - help students understand what the organizing looked like off campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5859.0,5896.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nI know Pastor Dixon was on campus many times and trying to really make those connections so that the College of Charleston could be seen [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5896.0,5913.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [as a part of?] that critical movement. You know, there are gatekeepers that want to prevent that, or monitor, or keep it measured to a certain degree in a way that, I think is [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5913.0,5933.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] - I think, in many people's mind, is a way to preserve some heritage of what the College of Charleston is as a predominantly white institution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5933.0,5946.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nBut I think that there are just so many opportunities. And I feel like the Avery is an [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5946.0,5955.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] absolutely [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5955.0,5956.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] bridge-builder in that, between the community and the College. And it’s... If that is ignored or dismissed, I think that it that's an effort to placate the legislature. I mean, that's how I see it, but I know that's coming from a particular lens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5956.0,5985.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWell, we're that's the lens that we're very interested in. And obviously others see it differently. But what we are trying to get, I think, from you, is the benefit of your experiences, the benefit of those attempts that were made, and to figure out - are those building blocks that can be used as stepping stones in the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=5985.0,6017.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nDo you feel optimistic at all about where the direction of your work and the collaborations that you've made, do you feel optimistic about where that's going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6017.0,6033.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nI might have felt more optimistic a few months ago, when it seemed like our Race, Equity and Inclusion requirement was gaining traction. With the slowdown of that, I definitely lost some optimism. [Sighs.] I think that is an important thrust, because I think it will require the College to stand behind that, as a way to show that they are really committed to racial literacy, inclusion of more students of color – you know, efforts to really reframe what the college has been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6033.0,6097.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, I think the documentary that was made, If These Walls Could Talk, is a great place for students to begin to understand the history of the College of Charleston and its benefit from slavery. And I know that the College has to some degree embraced that. But if it's a genuine, full embrace, then [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6097.0,6129.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] need to be taken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6129.0,6130.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nThe – you know, landscape markers is an excellent place, also, I think, a very positive step. So there are reasons to be optimistic. And then obviously there's [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6130.0,6150.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [reasons to?] be skeptical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6150.0,6156.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nBecause of your work especially - not only a few years ago but continuing with LGBTQ communities and collaborations with more race-based activism - talk to us a little bit about the challenge of getting those two constituents and those two movements to cooperate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6156.0,6188.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. So, I think that Southerners on New Ground, SONG, was an important local political formation for Charleston. I don't really know how active SONG is in Charleston now, but – you know, SONG is an LGBTQ-led organization with a very intersectional lens, a very pro-Black, pro-immigrant, pro-worker kind of lens - was it an important forum [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6188.0,6238.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. Some of our community gatherings, we deliberately had at the Avery, so that there could be that connection between Avery and SONG, LGBTQ leadership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6238.0,6251.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nI think at the College, with the Gender and Sexuality Equity Center, we have all [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6251.0,6260.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] extremely intersectional and prioritized anti-racist gatherings - you know, dialogues, panels, whatnot. And the provost did agree to finally hire a full-time position for GSEC. Until the present, we have just been operating as a stipend faculty, doing that direction in a stipended position, so that's an important move. 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Yeah. So I left the position as the GSEC director in 2021 with some demands, to make sure that GSEC would continue to [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6311.0,6323.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] by the administration. And so she somewhat reluctantly agreed to hire a position. And we thought - “we”, meaning Hollis, France and I, who had been the directors of GSEC - [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6323.0,6345.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] thought that [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6345.0,6346.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] remain as a faculty-staff kind of hybrid position, again, feeling like that gives some credibility from the faculty perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6346.0,6361.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nUnfortunately, it will be housed now, instead, I think, under Student Affairs. I think that that's the decision. We thought it was important that it reported to the provost. But the provost, I think, didn't really want to have that as part of her role. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6361.0,6381.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYeah. And - I certainly don't mean to make you uncomfortable with this - but I'm going to come back at you with something I asked a little earlier, and that is: with all this effort and energy - and especially, I'm still talking about the interaction and collaboration between these, sometimes, diverse movements in terms of racial movements versus LGBTQ - with all the activities, forums, the conferences, even the courses that you described, how do you assess the impact?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6381.0,6429.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nAre there numbers that can be provided, or policy changes that you could point to? How would you assess whether or not these communities are beginning to hear each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6429.0,6450.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. I mean, it's hard to assess, you know, quantitatively. Although I do think that the research that the Riley Center recently did to at least give us a sense that there are a high number of students who identify as LGBTQ on campus, and that... You know, if we looked at who those students are, I think that we would see a crossover in terms of students of color who also identify as LGBTQ, and participating in organizations like Prism, which is LGBTQ focused, on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6450.0,6505.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nBut also ICAN - the Intersectional Cougar Action Network - was led by Black students who also identified as LGBTQ, and then the important collaborations across those student organizations with the Black Student Union, ICAN, Prism...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6505.0,6524.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, I do think that that's a place where we could see a positive impact - that these students want to be in conversation with each other, they want to make the college a more inclusive place in real terms, as opposed to, you know, kind of superficial branding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6524.0,6547.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo I think that there is positive momentum there. In the students, of course, there was a huge setback because of the pandemic [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6547.0,6557.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"], and some student organizations lost momentum, being, you know, away from campus for those semesters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6557.0,6567.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nYeah. As we close out, Kaj, I've been saying to our interviewees that remember that this documentation about local activism will be seen and heard, probably many years into the future. And so, if you thought about the kind of message you want to be sure is a part of your testimony, what are some words of wisdom, if you will? Or, what are some lasting thoughts that you would want - knowing that it might be five or ten years from now - that you get heard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6567.0,6619.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nHmm...phew. For me, in Charleston, [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6619.0,6623.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [it was?] absolutely critical for me to follow Black leadership. And so, I think of folks like Mr. Campbell - who were not officially recognized as part of College of Charleston, you know - but he would come to the student diversity conferences and we could have conversation afterwards about what that meant to have these kinds of dialogues and speakers in the context of the College of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6623.0,6653.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nSo, you know, I guess, some of my closing remarks, I guess, would be for the white students at the College of Charleston, and, you know, white members of the community, to really follow that Black leadership in Charleston, because it is rich and it's dynamic, and for me, just, there was so much to learn about the city through that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6653.0,6683.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nYeah. I think about that... When the monument went up for Denmark Vesey, and then recently then hearing about the vandalism and... These moments are just so close to my heart. Even bringing down the Calhoun statue, we used to strategize, about what we could do to actually pull that thing down. So, even though it came down through official city means, as opposed to activist efforts, it still was an important turning point, I think, for those of us who really wanted Charleston to [inaudible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6683.0,6728.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] [reckon?] with the damages of white supremacy throughout the city and the College of Charleston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6728.0,6738.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWell, it sounds like you're saying that people shouldn't minimize what they think their impact is. I mean, they might feel that something has been a failure, but I'm certain that that activist voice was a part of that final decision. You know, at least in terms of the monument.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6738.0,6762.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWell, we're going to go, and we thank you so very much for allowing us just to get your thoughts. And we wish you a lot of luck with the continuation of your efforts, especially around curriculum. And don't be a stranger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6762.0,6780.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nThank you. Yeah. Thank you, Millicent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6780.0,6781.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nThank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6781.0,6783.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nBye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6783.0,6784.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLICENT BROWN\n\nWas just with Hollis the other day, I'll tell her I saw you again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6784.0,6789.0"},{"id":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971/transcript/87849/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KRISTI BRIAN\n\nOkay, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://lcdl.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3440/collection_resources/164254/file/298971#t=6789.0,6791.0"}]}]}]}